Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby C » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:39 am

Investigators say the incident may be the result of a bird strike

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Potentially could be. That's one of the bigger dangers of single engine jets, particularly near coastal locations, where the birds tend to be bigger.
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby expat » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:41 am

Investigators say the incident may be the result of a bird strike

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He would not be the first to have bird in the engine and have bird shatter the canopy and enter the cockpit or even
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby C » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:46 am

That said, if it is a birdstrike, it's relatively (in the circumstances, and no consolation to family and friends) good news, as it's a known risk as opposed to a technical failure of some description.
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby expat » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:54 am

That said, if it is a birdstrike, it's relatively (in the circumstances, and no consolation to family and friends) good news, as it's a known risk as opposed to a technical failure of some description.




The engineer in me wanted to say exactly that. However being ex-serviceman and having worked on aircraft for the last 24 years, my viewpoint does not always sit with what people want to hear at such times as this, so I keep my mouth closed.

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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby Craig. » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:32 pm

I've said from the very start I would expect the outcome to be a birdstrike. It's a shame that its happend, and it seems like the pilots made the ultimate sacrifice to save others.
The question would be, what radio traffic was passed between red 4 and the team from point of failure to the crash.
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby C » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:55 pm

The question would be, what radio traffic was passed between red 4 and the team from point of failure to the crash.


It'll all be on tape. I suspect very little, if any.
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby Craig. » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:00 pm

I dont expect there will be much either. but I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to get something out. Then again if this has happend a few hundred feet up, I doubt his first thoughts were to hit the mic button, if he's worried about getting away from other people.
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby machineman9 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:02 pm

That's some bad news to come back home to  :(

Just... Wow. That is some bad news.
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Re: Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Postby hyperpep111 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 5:11 am

Well. This is not a lucky year for aviation :(
Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.
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