For Richardd43

[richardd43]

[edit]I assume you ended up setting the AI SKEW to AUTO and left the PCIe's at 125?[/edit]

Yes

Will make the other changes now

[richardd43]

Sorry, the PCIE is still at 125.

Clicked on the wrong setting and could not boot, had to go back and correct it

[Nick N]

Sorry, the PCIE is still at 125.

Clicked on the wrong setting and could not boot, had to go back and correct it

OK

I just want to make sure where we are.

I think the timing is just too low

DRAM Configuration

[richardd43]

Yes on all of the settings. the system boots OK but as soon as CPU Test 1 starts it is still shutting the computer off.

I need to give it up for tonite, I have to have my wife down town early in the morning. I hate actually going down town, it is like driving in China Town during rush hour.

If there is anything else you want me to try leave a list.

If nothing else I will start backtracking until the test will run and give you a new list of how the BIOS is set up.

And thanks for the help on this, it is more of a challenge than I thought it would be.

[richardd43]

This is where we are right now:

Overclocking       -----      
CPU Frequency       -----      356
CPU Multiplier       -----      9x
Memory Clock Frequency       -----      DDR2 533
PCIEX_1 Clock       -----      100
PCIEX_2 Clock       -----      100
CPU<-> NB HT Speed       -----      3xCPU Frequency
NB to SB HT Frequency       -----      200
NB --> SB HT Speed       -----      5xNB to SB HT Frequency
SB --> NB HT Speed       -----      5xSB to NB HT Frequency
CPU<->NB HT Width       -----      [ch8595]16 [ch8593]16
NB<->SB HT Width       -----      [ch8595]16 [ch8593]16
           
CPU Voltage Range       -----      1.55-1.65
CPU Voltage       -----      1.55
DDR2 Voltage Control       -----      2.1
HT Link Voltage       -----      1.4
NB Core Voltage       -----      1.5
SB Core Voltage       -----      1.6
SB PLL Voltage       -----      1.65
DRAM Configuration       -----      
Tcl       -----      5
Tcrd       -----      4
Trp       -----      4
Tras       -----      12 (18 is max setting)
Width of DRAM Interface       -----      Auto
1T/2T Memory Timing       -----      2T
AI Clock Skew       -----      Auto  
Channel A Clock Skew       -----      Normal
Channel B Clock skew       -----      Normal
Advanced Memory Settings       -----      
Trc       -----      18
Twr       -----      6
Max Async Latency       -----      8ns
Idle Cycle Limit       -----      32
Dynamic Idle Cycle Counter       -----      Auto
Advanced       -----      
PEG Link Mode       -----      
PEG Link Mode       -----      DISABLED
PCIPnP       -----      
Plug & Play O/S       -----      YES
Output Driver Control       -----      
MEMCLK Drive Strength       -----      Auto
Data Drive Strength       -----      Auto

[Nick N]

Yes on all of the settings. the system boots OK but as soon as CPU Test 1 starts it is still shutting the computer off.

I need to give it up for tonite, I have to have my wife down town early in the morning. I hate actually going down town, it is like driving in China Town during rush hour.

If there is anything else you want me to try leave a list.

If nothing else I will start backtracking until the test will run and give you a new list of how the BIOS is set up.

And thanks for the help on this, it is more of a challenge than I thought it would be.

The reason its a challenge is because the 6000+ CPU is wound out to begin with and you are limited on that Vcore.

When it comes to clocking there is no such thing as a perfect math formula. Most of it is based trial and error but with an understanding the components.

What we have been doing is finding the peaks of the hardware. I have had expereince with many motherboards but not the Crosshair. There is a learning curve for me in that too.

Its not a problem and I don't mind working it all out. I know it can be frustrating but it will get locked down


I need to sack too. It is weekday tomorrow.



Set the PCIe back down to 100 for each slot and also set the Idle Cycle Limit back to AUTO, Dynamic Idle Cycle Counter DISABLED



Overclocking

PCIEX_1 Clock 100

[Nick N]

[quote]This is where we are right now:

Overclocking       -----      
CPU Frequency       -----      356
CPU Multiplier       -----      9x
Memory Clock Frequency       -----      DDR2 533
PCIEX_1 Clock       -----      100
PCIEX_2 Clock       -----      100
CPU<-> NB HT Speed       -----      3xCPU Frequency
NB to SB HT Frequency       -----      200
NB --> SB HT Speed       -----      5xNB to SB HT Frequency
SB --> NB HT Speed       -----      5xSB to NB HT Frequency
CPU<->NB HT Width       -----      [ch8595]16 [ch8593]16
NB<->SB HT Width       -----      [ch8595]16 [ch8593]16
           
CPU Voltage Range       -----      1.55-1.65
CPU Voltage       -----      1.55
DDR2 Voltage Control       -----      2.1
HT Link Voltage       -----      1.4
NB Core Voltage       -----      1.5
SB Core Voltage       -----      1.6
SB PLL Voltage       -----      1.65
DRAM Configuration       -----      
Tcl       -----      5
Tcrd       -----      4
Trp       -----      4
Tras       -----      12 (18 is max setting)
Width of DRAM Interface       -----      Auto
1T/2T Memory Timing       -----      2T
AI Clock Skew       -----      Auto

[Nick N]

Here is the last set of numbers that you ran 3DMark on and had no problems:

Overclocking

[Nick N]

I am heading out for the day and will not be back till later this evening. You mentioned you have the default BIOS settings saved so if you would like to compare that to what we came up with so far, that may be something of value to review.


gotta run

[richardd43]

I am going to buy the 9700 (hopefully tomorrow), and while I am at the store I can exchange the Memory for something different if you think it would be worth the effort.

Another odd problem with 3Dmark06. I ran the test again and it worked great. I decided to turn on the Feature Tests and the Batch Size Tests and try it. The first part of the test ran OK but when it got to the Pixel Shader it shut the computer down. I loaded the default settings in BIOS and it did the same thing. I then run the Feature Tests and the Batch Size Tests by themself and everything ran great. I tried a full test again and it once again shut down.

Prior to starting the overclocking the complete test set ran perfectly. Has me confused... :-/

[Nick N]

I am going to buy the 9700 (hopefully tomorrow), and while I am at the store I can exchange the Memory for something different if you think it would be worth the effort.

Another odd problem with 3Dmark06. I ran the test again and it worked great. I decided to turn on the Feature Tests and the Batch Size Tests and try it. The first part of the test ran OK but when it got to the Pixel Shader it shut the computer down. I loaded the default settings in BIOS and it did the same thing. I then run the Feature Tests and the Batch Size Tests by themself and everything ran great. I tried a full test again and it once again shut down.

Prior to starting the overclocking the complete test set ran perfectly. Has me confused... :-/

Locking down memory product is a bit more involved that going to the store. It does require knowing the bin to part number cross reference. Your mememory seems to be working fine so I see no reason to change it.

Glad you are getting the 9700. That will make a difference.

As for 3DMark... that is very interesting about the crash. It would indicate there may be more at work here that a BIOS problem. If you are sure all settings in the BIOS are indeed default, (Clear CMOS, boot, Load setup defauts) then I would say you are either dealing with a driver, software or OS issue. I wonder if that crash you had did more damage that originally anticipated. Perhaps the sound driver was not the only thing blown out.

The other possibility could be the BIOS itself. If the BIOS you are running now is the same one you had run the 3DMark tests and had no problems, then I would probably look toward the software end. Nothing we did would remain in the BIOS if it is set back to default.

If the BIOS you are on now is different, perhaps a flash back to the one that did work may be a good idea, simply to test. If it still crashes.. then I would say the problem is in the software, drivers or OS.


I have to run but will check in

[Nick N]

One more thought came to mind... It is possible the lower timing we tested blew out drivers or 3Dmark supporting files. It happens sometimes when testing a clock. Perhaps a true reset on the BIOS by using the jumper and reset method along with uninstalling and cleaning out the drivers, then installing them again will clear the issue. Also a reinstall of 3Dmark may also be something to check. I have blown that software out before. It is rare but it does happen.

[Nick N]

The flu has arrived here. I am back but heading for bed.

I sent an email of some things to go over. I am sure it is a software problem being the 3D tests run fine when selected to run individually. My only other question would be, does this happen in both OS installs. I recall you mentioning you had both XP and Vista running, if I am not mistaken. If it happens in both then I would suspect a BIOS issue assuming DX9/10 are fully updated for 3DM06 and there are no patches missing. I usually run 03 and 05 for my burn-ins but I do know 06 requires the December 06 DX9 update and another to run properly.

It is possible there may be a bug in that BIOS we somehow enabled or a setting that is out of place even at default, but, it makes no sense the 3D tests would run fine except when selected to run back to back if a hardware problem existed.


Lets leave the BIOS at default for now until the issue is sorted. Once it is I will look over the numbers again. After you get the 9700 installed I think it may change several of them anyway.

[richardd43]

I can't get 3Dmark06 to run in Vista-64 at all. Once I remove one of the 7950s I will try it again to make sure before I flash the bios back.

[richardd43]

The good news. It seems to be a problem with both cards installed. I tried each card in SLI individually and they both run great in XP.

I have a feeling this board was designed with the 8XXX boards in mind.

Will try it in Vista but am not getting my hopes to high.