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737-800 simulator

Postby expat » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:36 pm

This thread is a follow on from this http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 1176835647 thread.

Sorry, the picture quality is very bad, I was not able to use a flash due to all flying being done at dusk/twilight and low visibility.

Well what can I report, well, this about sums it up:
[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]  As my dad would say, I was as happy as a dog who had found out he has two dicks and some spare time on his paws.

The day started with a normal briefing, just as it would.  In fact the only difference to the whole day was we never left the ground, but that became academic. From the briefing we went to the Sim. The pilots did their normal checks, then they strapped themselves in and started the "flight". The instructor played the part of OP's, tug driver, and ATC. The flight started normally, takeoff and departure. We "flew" from Tegal to Copenhagen. Once on route, we had to avoid some weather and then we had a traffic conflict that required avoiding action. Once on approach to Copenhagen the gear was lowered and we had a main gear unlocked indication. At this point I have to say that if I had closed my eyes, I would not have known that I was in a simulator. The sound, the feeling through my feet to my inner ear was incredible. Turbulence, climb dive, it felt as it should, I would loved to have seen an external monitor of the simulator motion. I swear that you could feel sight "G" when the Sim climbed sharply for the traffic avoidance. A missed approach was the carried out and we went into a holding pattern. Then the crew went through the emergency check list and had to make their decisions just as they would normally. A manual gear extension was made but the unlocked indication was still present. A May Day was declared and we made an approach with the left main gear still up. The touch down and subsequent motion and sound made the hair on my neck stand up. I also had to hold on quite tight!

Next we went for coffee and then the standard drill list was performed. It started with engine failure before V1, and stopping on the runway , followed by an engine failure just after rotation. Again all the senses fooled the brain into thinking it was real. After that it was CAT III approaches where something went wrong each time and a go around that involved strict pattern adherence due to mountains etc.  I can report that the crew sweated well during this time. They earned their money just as they would have for real and as far as they were concerned it was.
The last thing was more of experience training than anything else. It was landing with a frozen elevator. Unlikely thing to happen because you can always fall back on elevator disconnect which means each of the pilots has control over the elevator on his side of the aircraft, basically you end up with tailerons. However in this case both froze and we had to land using elevator trim tab. Well, the first two attempts we died in a spectacular ball of flames, the third go, the landing was not pretty, but we lived. Then it was my turn.
I was set for finals at about 5 miles and had to fly the needles. All was going well, and then just before touch down, the hand of god behind at the control panel gave me fog that was so thick, you could have knitted with it and I had to go around. Then another miracle, it cleared. I had to fly the pattern and then line up again. It was not pretty, but I kept my altitude and speed. I can't tell you enough about the feeling that the Sim gives you all the time. I was really working hard. I work on these aircraft daily, I know where to look for various things, reaching out for switches, levers, and well, it is not pressing a keyboard I can tell you. The approach went well, the landing, I think I did that three times before I came to a stop.
Now the big question. The pilots have both eaten the fish and now have food poisoning and can't fly, could I land the aircraft. Taking into account two things, a Simulator is not real life and I did not have the pucker factor and I know my way around a 737 cockpit and what the switches etc do, I would say there was a good chance that I could, but it would not be a pretty thing to witness and what ever was left of the aircraft after would be fit for a museum or as training aids in an aviation school. Lastly, I was/am very fortunate to have been able to do this because of my job. It cost me no more than the fuel to drive to the Sim. Ladies, gentlemen, boys and girls, save your pennies, and pay for a 30 minute session in a real simulator. As much fun as we have here with FS2000, 2004 and FSX, we are a bunch of 6 year olds and FS is our invisible friend. As real as it gets, as I have said, save the pennies and go for a 30 minute Sim session.

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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby MWISimmer » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:55 pm

Looks like you had good fun, along with a bit of education there Matt. Great photos too, it really shows how "real" these Sims are.
..Now the big question. The pilots have both eaten the fish and now have food poisoning and can't fly, could I land the aircraft. Taking into account two things, a Simulator is not real life and I did not have the pucker factor and I know my way around a 737 cockpit and what the switches etc do, I would say there was a good chance that I could..

How good were you in the Sim.. any feedback from the instructors?
And did FS help in any way?
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:59 pm

How long did it take them with a crowbar to get you out of there Matt? ;D
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby expat » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:15 pm

Looks like you had good fun, along with a bit of education there Matt. Great photos too, it really shows how "real" these Sims are.
..Now the big question. The pilots have both eaten the fish and now have food poisoning and can't fly, could I land the aircraft. Taking into account two things, a Simulator is not real life and I did not have the pucker factor and I know my way around a 737 cockpit and what the switches etc do, I would say there was a good chance that I could..

How good were you in the Sim.. any feedback from the instructors?
And did FS help in any way?
Cheers,
Rob.



Feed back was, "Not bad for a first go", read into that what you will, but I had a big grin for about an hour after. As for whether FS helped, I cannot really say yes or no. I have some power time and my glider license, so I was somewhat ready for the feeling through the stick. I would say that it if FS helped, it was more in being able to understand the displays. Being a ground mechanic, there was a lot before my eyes that I had not seen before for real as you need to be in the air to get that sort of information. I cockpit displays available in some of the FS addons are very ,very realistic.

How long did it take them with a crowbar to get you out of there Matt? ;D


I think if I had stayed any longer they would have called the bouncers  :o

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2. And, if you have time to write the fault on a napkin and attach to it to the yoke.........you have time to write it in the tech log....see point 1.
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby ATI_7500 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:31 pm

I'm JEALOUS! ;)
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:41 pm

Good one Matt. I note that's a Thomson simulator. My brother was Shipping Manager for Redifon Simulation at Crawley (later Hughes Simulation & now Thomson Simulation) for many years. Redifon were leaders in their field & pioneered the 6-axis motion system & computerised visual system & curved mirror used on most civil simulators today. Prior to that the visual effects (if they had them) were projected onto a screen from a video camera mounted above an accurate 3D model of airports. These models were usually mounted sideways on the walls of the simulator room. Not very reliable & they were prone to breaking down. They also took up a lot of space.

I went to several of their open days & saw how it all worked. Not sure I fully understand all of it even now. I was also lucky enough to get a "flight" in the right hand seat of a brand new Boeing 707 simulator they had recently finished for a Chinese airline. That shows how long ago it was but I can vouch for the realism. Not long afterwards they had to dismantle the whole thing & ship it to China. Redifon was also responsible for the "Back to the Future" ride at Universal Studios, Florida. This is still one of the best rides I've ever been on.
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby EGNX » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:49 pm

Awesome! Starting to save my pennies!
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby bok269 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:56 pm

Pretty cool.
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby a1 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:59 pm

I wounder if that would fit in my room. I so want to have a go at that. :D
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby Willit Run » Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:11 am

[color=#009900]Lucky you!!
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby expat » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:57 am

Lucky you!!  Green with envy, me, no not at all!!



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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby Splat762 » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:27 am

I had a chance to fly in the EA-6B Prowler sim that we have here at Whidbey Island.  Set up was just like that 737 but it was a Prowler cockpit of course.  Very cool....had a chance to take off, fly the pattern and then load up a cat shot.  Didn't get a chance to try the trap because I put it in the water about a mile behind the carrier.  ;D

Very cool shots of the 737 sim, looks like fun!
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby beaky » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:53 am

How very nice for you... mumblemumble... >:(


What did you think of the program itself? How did it look? How much water did you wring out of your shirt afterwards?

Redifon/Thomson certainly know theire stuff- I've been on that ride as well; it's impressive.
The company I work for does a lot of theme-park stuff; I'm hoping to get into one of those jobs in the near future (they just finished the Space Shuttle sim/ride at Kennedy Space Center, but alas I was too busy with the MacDill thing to help).

Maybe one of these days we'll get involved with a training sim installation- that would be very cool. ;D
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby Hagar » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:26 am

Redifon/Thomson certainly know their stuff- I've been on that ride as well; it's impressive.
The company I work for does a lot of theme-park stuff; I'm hoping to get into one of those jobs in the near future (they just finished the Space Shuttle sim/ride at Kennedy Space Center, but alas I was too busy with the MacDill thing to help).

Maybe one of these days we'll get involved with a training sim installation- that would be very cool. ;D

Interesting. Not wishing to hijack Matt's thread but my brother was a Redifon man. He didn't mind Hughes but resigned soon after Thomson took over. I won't go into details but they caused a lot of bad feeling at Crawley. The entertainment division has since been taken over again. Thomson Entertainment

I discovered by accident that they closed that Back to the Future ride for good last month. http://www.universalorlando.com/usf_attr_bttf.html
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Re: 737-800 simulator

Postby alrot » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:05 pm

I'm envi you, You're very lucky ,Im glad you had such of wonderful time buddy :D
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