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December Randoms...

Postby C » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:38 am

I occasionally was overcome with the photographic urge in December...

Elvington Mossie
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Elvington's ME109. Anyone know what's special about it? ;)
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Elvington's Halifax. Everything except a Hunter, DC-3, T-33, Herald and Victor were in the T2 hangar - a bit of a squeeze...
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A horrible Tucano...
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A wintery December day at Redhill...
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Enjoy... :)
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby Hagar » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:15 am

Very nice. It's many years since I visited Elvington & there was nothing like that there then.

Is that a Devon I spot at Redhill? :o It's even longer since I was last there. I shall have to pay a visit in the near future.
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby C » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:21 am

Is that a Devon I spot at Redhill? :o It's even longer since I was last there. I shall have to pay a visit in the near future.


Oui.

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I popped in on the way back from Farnborough. We got fed up with the M25 so came of at Reigate. Little did Mrs C know that this was only a 5 minute detour away! ;D
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby ozzy72 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:00 pm

If I remember correctly the 109 is in fact a replica? Also I think (not sure I'll have to check) that the 109 is painted in the colours of Anton Hackl of JG11? Hackl had nearly 200 victories to his name.
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby Craig. » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:03 pm

great shots charlie :)
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby F3Hadlow » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:00 pm

Nice work :)
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby C » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:54 pm

If I remember correctly the 109 is in fact a replica?


Correct. Fibreglass or wood. One of the two...
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby Craig. » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:57 pm

Wood, I am guessing. Why I dont know.
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:00 pm

I thought most replicas were fibreglass.
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby ozzy72 » Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:56 pm

The only reason I remember this is that the Mk.I Spit there is also a replica :P
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby SkyNoz » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:37 am

Very nice collection, and interessting aircraft. ;) ;D
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby FLYING_TRUCKER » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:26 am

Good Morning Charlie :)

The Halifax is that a complete aircraft, inside and out?

What is the status on it, will it fly sooner or later?

They have completely restored one at the RCAF Memorial Museum in Trenton, Ontario and is on the web.

Insurance prohibits the flying of it and another Halifax has been found I hear off the coast of Scotland, an RCAF Halifax and will be raised and going to British Columbia, Canada for restoration.

Is there a flying Halifax in the United Kingdom yet, or do you know if there will be?

Thanks for the shots Charlie :).

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Re: December Randoms...

Postby F3Hadlow » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:34 am

Is there a flying Halifax in the United Kingdom yet, or do you know if there will be?


I'm afraid there isn't one flying anywhere in the world IIRC. I'm not aware of any plans to get it back flying again, anyone know otherwise?
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby Hagar » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:01 am

I'm afraid there isn't one flying anywhere in the world IIRC. I'm not aware of any plans to get it back flying again, anyone know otherwise?

I think this is the only 'complete' Halifax in the world. It's actually more of a static replica based on several genuine parts of the fuselage. The wings are from a Hastings & although the engines are genuine the props are glass fibre replicas. The missing parts were built by apprentices at BAe Brough. It was intended as a tribute to the aircrews that flew the Halifax from RAF Elvington during WWII.

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Of the three Halifaxes remaining today the only complete original example is a former 644 Sqn aircraft. Handley Page Halifax A Mk VII, serial number NA337 was built by Rootes Securities at a 'shadow factory' constructed on the edge of the airfield of what is now John Lennon Airport.

On the night of April 23/24 1945, NA337 was returning from a mission dropping supplies to the Norwegian resistance when it came under enemy fire. As the Halifax passed Lake Mjosa, near the town of Hamer, it fell victim to German AAA protecting a railway and bridge on the lakeshore. The pilot successfully ditched the bomber on the surface of the partially frozen lake at about two in the morning.

Unfortunately, although it is believed all the crew survived the ditching, by the time the Norwegians came out in their boats at first light to search for survivors, only one, the rear gunner Flight Sergeant Weightman, was found alive, lying on top of an overturned dingy. The remainder of the crew perished in the freezing cold waters of the lake and were found floating in their 'Mae West' life jackets, with the exception of the Flight Engineer, who's body was never found.

All five of those who perished were members of the RAF Volunteer Reserve and are buried at the Nordre cemetery at Lillehamar. The pilot, A Turnbull, was awarded the DFC.

NA337 lay undisturbed for 50 years when, in the summer of 1995, the Canadian Halifax Association recovered it for restoration and future display in the RCAF Memorial Museum. When the Halifax broke the surface, the enthusiasts found an almost undamaged parachute as well as the tail gunner's flask - still with coffee in it!

Dismantled and shipped to Canada, the restoration continues and when completed NA337 will be the only original complete Halifax in the world. This is of particular importance to the Canadians who flew 70% of their wartime operations in the type. Only two other complete Halifaxes remain, one at the Bomber Command Museum at Hendon which is still in an unrestored state following it's recovery from a Norwegian lake, and one at the S Yorks Air Museum at Elvington which is a composite aircraft made up from the parts of a variety of others.
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Re: December Randoms...

Postby C » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:16 pm

I think this is the only 'complete' Halifax in the world. It's actually more of a static replica based on several genuine parts of the fuselage. The wings are from a Hastings & although the engines are genuine the props are glass fibre replicas. The missing parts were built by apprentices at BAe Brough. It was intended as a tribute to the aircrews that flew the Halifax from RAF Elvington during WWII.


There is now a "genuine" Halifax, NA337, which unveiled at RCAF Trenton 2 months ago today... :)

http://www.rcafmuseum.on.ca/
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