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[ChuckMajik]

Its actual combat record is very impressive.

How many conflicts has it been in where the OpFor air force actually stood a chance?
Level the playing field, and the F-15 would have a rather difficult time.

Almost forgot about the superior numbers and better pilot training.

[ATI_7500]

I believe the F16 is still the only one that can accelerate in a vertical climb- saw one do that at the Elmira airshow once. Going.... up!

But not with combat loadout. But generally seen, the F-16 is the last best multirole aircraft from overseas.

[|| Andy ||]

U cant say the F-15 has been undefeated...

What has it had to fight against..
Iraqi

[Craig.]

the F15 has beaten Mig 29s in mock combat many times.

[ATI_7500]

And in the first Iraq war. But those were MiG-29A and not the newer MiG-29M. Equipped with the R-77/AA-12 they could easily shoot a F-15 down.

[Mistral]

Probably true Amplifier, but only because it is using newer technologies. I think the aircraft are pretty incomparable. You could hardly argue the Spitfire was a bad aircraft just because it could be taken out by an F-22 and so forth! .

Considering the technological resources available when the F-15 was being designed I think they did a pretty fine job!

[Souichiro]

the F15 has beaten Mig 29s in mock combat many times.

So far the only Mig 29 which has been shot down for real was by a Dutch F-16 pilot over Yugoslavia (go Holland) And also the reason why the F-22 buying was given the green light was because some american pilots got their asses kicked by some Isrealis (so I've heard)

[Craig.]

Like i said, there were mock combats in India. The US officials told the F-15 pilots to loose the air combat portions which included an F-4. This was done as a way to speed up congressional approval for the F-22. However as a true showing of how outclassed in todays world the F-15 is. Two F-15E from one of the most sucessful squadrons were in Britain last year, they saw fit to engage a Eurofighter who was only on a training mission. Well within a few seconds said trainee eurofighter pilot was on the tail of one of the F-15 pilots with a kill, and had the other trying to run away in full afterburners, he didnt last much longer. For its time there was nothing that could really compete with it, that was why it was designed. In todays world it isnt quite as good, thats why the F-16 was designed. Which is also outclassed now, which is why you have the F-22 coming into service. And while it can be out turned by the Typhoon, the whole idea with the Raptor is to fire without being in a position to have to worry about being in a dog fight. Be it Mig, typhoon, or any other plane.

[|| Andy ||]

And in the first Iraq war. But those were MiG-29A and not the newer MiG-29M. Equipped with the R-77/AA-12 they could easily shoot a F-15 down.

Correct  ;)

And we havn't even thought about the Su-27 yet have we now?  ;D

[Mobius]

Ok, one thing, the F-15 can also accelerate while climbing vertically.  It has almost 50,000 lbs of thrust and an empty weight of 32,000 lbs.  It can carry just over 13,000 lbs of fuel internally, add the two and you can see that the thrust to weight ratio is 1.11, meaning it can accelerate vertically with full fuel.  F-16 thrust to weight ratio is right around 1.1 also so it can accelerate upwards as well.

As far as combat goes, the US has never lost an F-15 in combat.  Ever.

Israel uses F-15s that are very similar to the US's if not the same.  They have lost some I believe, but not nearly as many as they have shot down.  I remember hearing about an Israeli F-15 that had on entire wing shot off and it still made it back for a "safe" landing.

The United State's F-15s have a perfect combat record and the mass majority of those kills were against MiG-21's and MiG-29s during the past Iraq wars.

Air-to-air, the F-15C has the power and armament to take almost anything down.  The APG-63 radar can track targets from hundreds of miles away and once in range, the F-15 can fire AMRAAMs from almost 50 miles away to take out targets.  The latest version of the R-77 AA missile has a range that is close to that of an AMRAAM so it would be hard to say what would win there.  I think the combination of US pilot training, AWACS, and the ability of F-15s to work together could take out many different airborne threats.

As for the best multi-role aircraft.  Talk to anyone who knows, nothing can beat the F-15E.  It can carry A2G weapons that others can't and it is equipped with the newest LANTIRN and FLIR systems as well as the capability to drop JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munitions (GPS guided bombs)) weapons giving it the capability to strike anywhere in the world in any weather, at any time of the day.  I'm not saying the F-16 can't do this, the F-15E can just do it from farther away, faster and with less workload on the pilot.  Once the JSOW (Joint Stand Off Weapon) is in service, US pilots will be able to attack targets from hundreds of miles away with pinpoint accuracy.  The F-15E can do all this and it even has very similar air-to-air capabilities as an F-15C.

I think overall the F-15 is one of the best all around fighters in the world today until the F/A-22 enters service.  One F/A-22 went up against a group of 5 F-15s in an exercise and the F/A-22 was able to kill the 5 F-15s before the F-15s even knew he was out there.

Thanks for reading and sorry if I offended anyone with my opinions but my opinions are just that, opinions.  However, the facts stated above are facts and I base my opinions on those facts so feel free to argue with me about anything.

[ATI_7500]

As far as combat goes, the US has never lost an F-15 in combat.  Ever.

Disagreed. There were some losses of F-15E during Desert Shield/ Desert Storm.

Israel uses F-15s that are very similar to the US's if not the same.

Original airframe and engines, but israeli avionics.

I remember hearing about an Israeli F-15 that had on entire wing shot off and it still made it back for a "safe" landing.

AFAIK, that was an accident.

The United State's F-15s have a perfect combat record and the mass majority of those kills were against MiG-21's and MiG-29s during the past Iraq wars.

Yes, iraqui pilots in iraqui (say export) versions of MiGs. If those were russian aircraft with russian pilots, the cards would have to be mixed again.

As for the best multi-role aircraft.  Talk to anyone who knows, nothing can beat the F-15E.

Except some iraqui ZSU AA guns.

I think overall the F-15 is one of the best all around fighters in the world today until the F/A-22 enters service.  One F/A-22 went up against a group of 5 F-15s in an exercise and the F/A-22 was able to kill the 5 F-15s before the F-15s even knew he was out there.

Stupid Eagle pilots, I guess. Their RWRs must have been deactivated...

[ChuckMajik]

I think overall the F-15 is one of the best all around fighters in the world today until the F/A-22 enters service.  One F/A-22 went up against a group of 5 F-15s in an exercise and the F/A-22 was able to kill the 5 F-15s before the F-15s even knew he was out there.

Hmm, that reeks of propaganda.

[Mobius]

I should clarify, sorry, the F-15 has a perfect Air-to-Air combat record: 101 air combat kills-0 losses.

I am just stating the facts, don't hate it because it's beatiful.


And I will admit that I am a little biased because of where I am from and I am friends with someone who helped design the F-15.  Sorry, but I did give the straight facts and a few of my opinions.  I said Russian fighters would have a fair chance, I don't know much about Russian AWACs or training so please correct me if I am wrong.

When I said nothing can beat the F-15E, I meant it as in performance-wise nothing can beat it, it's all-around capabilities are very good when compared to other strike fighters.

[|| Andy ||]

I should clarify, sorry, the F-15 has a perfect Air-to-Air combat record: 101 air combat kills-0 losses.

U dont belive what the US tell u do you?


My Opinion:

Russian pilots are the best.

Russias Opinion:
They dont care if the F-15 comes at them, or even a F-22.....

Because of the Vast mass amounts of them.
Last time i checked russia had 2000 Su-27's in service and storage, 'capable active'.

[Craig.]

Not anymore. As i said in its day the F-15 was the best. But even the multirole varient is getting to the end of its life. Multirole its beaten by the Rafale the Grippen, and the Typhoon, hell even the F-18 is better.