Was WWII Worth it?

[ozzy72]

you don't see people fleeing the United States via inner tube

That is true, they can afford airline tickets, and personally given the choice between floating in tropical waters or airline lunches I'll enjoy the sea

[Woodlouse2002]

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I agree with some of the others. NO government is perfect but if communism is so wonderful, how do you explain the fate of the former Soviet Union? And I have been to Cuba and it's very beautiful but

[ozzy72]

I'm doing my bit, I have at least 2 sugars in every mug of tea

[Hyperion2]

But without a leader, how is anything going to survive?

Even the smallest snake has a head.

[Woodlouse2002]

It's probably sugar left over from the stocks Russia brought from Cuba in the 1960's.

[Woodlouse2002]

But without a leader, how is anything going to survive?

Even the smallest snake has a head.

They survive because everyone looks out for each other.

[OTTOL]

The Soviet Unions fate is explainable because what existed there was not pure communism. Real communism has no class system, no leaders, everyone is equal and everyone does their bit for the commune. So people with skills don't do their job for money the do it for everyone else because others will be doing the same with their skills.

mmm-hmmm and if the US was a "pure" Democracy, I'd have my own private jet just like Heir Gates.  ::)

And the only reason Cuba needs to turn to tourism to thrive is because the US boycotts everything else it tries to do and because Russia can no longer buy all it's sugar.

Oh, silly me, I thought they stopped the awful naval blockade after the missile crisis. I didn't realize that they weren't allowed to export to the hundreds of other countries that  aren't the United States.

[Woodlouse2002]

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Oh, silly me, I thought they stopped the awful naval blockade after the missile crisis. I didn't realize that they weren't allowed to export to the hundreds of other countries that

[ozzy72]

Actually if I remember well the US managed to get most of the world to stop buying their stuff, now THAT is what I call marketing

[Hyperion2]

There's a common misconception that Cuba equals illegal.

Might I remind you that only the American dollar is prohibited in Cuba.

Americans travel there all the time.  Just not on flights originating from American soil.

Americans spend money there every day.  Just not with their native currency.

Cuba is what it is because they are what they are.  Not the Cuban people, but the government.  Cuba is in the fiscal crisis they're in because they're a communist regime.

Human nature is not to "look out for each other".  Human nature is to protect yourself and protect your family.

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]There's a common misconception that Cuba equals illegal.

Might I remind you that only the American dollar is prohibited in Cuba.

Americans travel there all the time.

[OTTOL]

And where is Cuba in relation to the US and the rest of the world? And money made in the exportation of goods to the rest of the world would probably be cancelled out in the cost of exporting it in the first place. You try telling some american companies that they cannot sell their goods in America and see how long they last.

Okay, NOW I get it. What you're saying is "this perfectly self-contained Communist utopia can't exist without it's Captilalistic "Big Brother" life-line?"  
I thought they all supported each other. Why do they even need to worry about the state of their economy?

[Hyperion2]

If communism works because everyone looks out for each other, and communist countries are failing because ONE country won't support them, what does that say about the communist country?  It OBVIOUSLY isn't working.

[Woodlouse2002]

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Okay, NOW I get it. What you're saying is "this perfectly self-contained Communist utopia can't exist without it's Captilalistic "Big Brother" life-line?"

[Hyperion2]

if the USA gets what it wants people will rebel and Cuba will become a democracy

Which won't happen, since the people of Cuba and other communist nations are so happy to be living in a communist nation, right?