King Louis

[Smoke2much]

I found out something quite interesting today.  Apparently we had a King Louis around 1280 something .  He was never crowned but was recognised by the Barons as King.  He was summarily evicted by King John and the pope after about 11 months.

Funny old world.

[Felix/FFDS]

Who's "we"  ??

[Woodlouse2002]

The royal "we". The inhabitants of England.
Not Scotland though, by that time they had their own monarch.

[Felix/FFDS]

The royal "we". The inhabitants of England.
Not Scotland though, by that time they had their own monarch.

I thought so, but it's always nice to remember that not all folk trace our roots to England...

THen again, there was George I, Louis of Hanover...

[Smoke2much]

I didn't forget that Felix, if I had been referring to any country but my own I would have written "The (insert country)".  To me writing "The English" would have felt odd and I thought most folks around here know where I'm from.  Funny old world but there you have it.  It's true about the Louis by the way.

Will

[Woodlouse2002]

I think the reason we've never heard of this King Louis before is because King John was still alive when he was proclaimed king by the barons, he was never crowned and within a year King John had got the throne back. And as there can't be two kings in one country, and as King John came out on top, Louis I was simply forgotten about.

[Smoke2much]

Plus the fact he was slightly French, we happened to be at war with them at the time.  It seems it was another invasion LOL.

[Felix/FFDS]

[quote]Plus the fact he was slightly French, we happened to be at war with them at the time.

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]Plus the fact he was slightly French, we happened to be at war with them at the time.

[Smoke2much]

Yeah, Felix has it sussed.  It wasn't until Richard II that England really became "Real"  We had a brief turn at running the place until James I (VI Scotland) took over, then after the Scots we had the House of Orange (Dutch) then the House of Hanover (German) and finally the Sax Coburgs (German again) although they did change their name to Windsor to prevent being lynched.

Who am I kidding here.... LMAO

[eno]

I would like to point out at this point that England still does not have its own monach.
The correct title for the Queen is "Queen Elizbeth Queen of Scots and the second of England". A fact that the Scots forget is that James VI (first of England) did, infact,  move his court from Edinburgh to London. Had he not then Edinburgh would have become the Capital City of a United Kingdom.

Tis amazing what you learn when you live with a historian for 6 years  ;)

[Smoke2much]

The English version would be Queen Elizabeth II, I of Scotland.  Under the Act of Union (17--??) I believe the English throne holds precedence over the Scots.

Geeze this could easily turn into a flaming session between the English members and the Scotish members.

Will

[Woodlouse2002]

Aye. But if we're lucky they might not spot it.

I doubt it will turn bad. Crazycraig hates the monarchy, so I doubt he cares, Whitey doesn't venture onto the boards often these days and I've forgotten who our other scottish members are...

[eno]

[quote]The English version would be Queen Elizabeth II, I of Scotland.

[Smoke2much]

As far as I'm aware you are spot on with the James and the Giant Capital bit.  I am no expert on this however so we may be agreeing in ignorance LOL.

My point was that the Queen is Queen first of England, then of Scotland as the precedent was set in the act of union some 100 odd years after the death of James.

Added to this is the fact that many Scots don't accept the Sovereignty of the English monarchy.  The whole debate is (IMHO) moot.

Will