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Re: Well, it happened. Woohoo!

Postby Jake Bourdon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:30 pm

That's true, everything has to be briefed and debriefed by an Instructor before you go and do it. Spins are no longer a requirement for PPL (which I disagree with), but instead, Spiral Dives are the test exercise. A student with a Student Pilot Permit is allowed to practice Steep Turns, Slow Flight, Stalls, and other various exercises like Precautionary Landings and Forced Approaches (not actually landing, unless at an aerodrome of course). This usually comes after some time in the circuit however, which is what he's been asking about. Spiral Dives and Spins are done dual, as well as any Instrument training, for safety reasons.
On a side note, all of these upper airwork exercises should be covered before a student's first solo, lower level stuff is covered after, maybe even before the students first solo cross-country (which is an approved route, usually)


Thank you very much for this literally outstanding explanation. I didn't know that Spins aren't allowed alone, but am happy to know that that's the case! Thanks for the heads up on what I'd be practicing once "cleared into the backyard". He's talked to me for a while now about my boundaries and what I'd be practicing in the "area" after doing a couple hours worth of solo circuits. Something nice to know though, is he said as for the slow flight, stalls(recovering before actually stalling like in the check ride), patterns, steep turns, etc. That I'd pass the PPL check ride for those parts. Luckily he's very proud of me and impressed with my flying skills(I guess I get them from practicing and/or preparing all these years on FSX in the exact plane that I'm flying in currently, that being a C152). Thanks for all the notifications, it's really a great help. Take care and happy flying!

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Re: Well, it happened. Woohoo!

Postby SaultFresh » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:26 pm

You've been practicing approach to stalls, but not actual stalls? That doesn't sound right, haha, although some standards will be different between American training and Canadian training. In Canada, for your PPL and CPL, you have to be able to recognize an approaching stall, recognize the aircraft in a stalled condition, and recover safely in the least amount of altitude lost. If you haven't actually stalled an aircraft yet, you may want to look into that.
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Re: Well, it happened. Woohoo!

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:28 am

Jake. I realise you're excited but please don't try running before you can walk. The first solo is an important step but you have much to learn before going off alone & doing your own thing.

I think all this should be discussed with your instructor. Regulations & training methods can vary considerably depending on which country you're in. I wouldn't take much notice of anyone's advice on this or any other forum except perhaps beaky or Brett Henderson who are both familiar with training in the USA & the current FAA regulations.

My knowledge of PPL training is many years out of date & things might well have changed since I was actively involved with it. I'm not familiar with the concept of "backyard flying" as part of the PPL course. In my day training followed a set pattern under close supervision of the instructor. I found this Training Syllabus based on FAA requirements which might be some help. http://home.pcisys.net/~aghorash/Private_Pilot_Syllabus.pdf
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Re: Well, it happened. Woohoo!

Postby Fozzer » Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:34 am

Always worth remembering... ::)...>>>

"There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold, pilots!"

The description; "overconfidence", springs to mind, I fear!.

Paul... ;)... ;)...!
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Re: Well, it happened. Woohoo!

Postby Flying Trucker » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:06 am

Good advice Doug...well worth heeding Jake... ;)
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