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Why did the Italian ATR 72 couldn't?

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Wed May 20, 2009 12:02 pm

I saw yesterday something that has not sense at all ,National Geographic
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Re: Why did the Italian ATR 72 couldn't?

Postby Rich H » Wed May 20, 2009 12:37 pm

Is this Air Crash Investigation? I believe he wasn't completely level when landing, but it said he got his angle of attack right. And I guess the A320 might be stronger?
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Re: Why did the Italian ATR 72 couldn't?

Postby Alejandro Rhodes » Wed May 20, 2009 1:10 pm

This was much more heavier and stronger Ethiopian-Airlines-Flug 961 crash 1996 and ran out of gas too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbShxVtfKVc
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Re: Why did the Italian ATR 72 couldn't?

Postby Hagar » Wed May 20, 2009 1:35 pm

It's easy to make accusations. This sounds like a case of Sod's Law. If it's possible to make a mistake then someone, somewhere will make that mistake.

Whoever was responsible for this sad incident the Italian authorities have made their decision & sentenced the flight crew & 5 other employees of Tuninter to a total of 62 years jail. http://www.shephard.co.uk/news/2200/

Pilot Chafik Gharby and co-pilot Ali Kebaier each received 10-year sentences. Tuninter (Sevenair) director general Moncef Zouari and technical chief Zoueir Chetouane were sentenced to nine years, while eight-year sentences were handed down to the airline's head of maintenance, Zouehir Siala, chief mechanic Chaed Nebil and maintenance squad leader Rhouma Bel Haj. Two members of the airline maintenance crew were acquitted. None of the defendants were in court for the sentencing and a lawyer for the airline said they will appeal the sentences.


If I remember correctly the pilot of that 767 was handicapped by fighting off hijackers while trying to ditch the aircraft.
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Re: Why did the Italian ATR 72 couldn't?

Postby expat » Wed May 20, 2009 2:12 pm

The big difference between the two aircraft is the reason that one broke up and one did not. I have seen that show too and the pilot of the ATR also touched down at the correct speed and perfect angel, but the strongest part of the aircraft is on top of the fuselage, that being the wing box. The Air Bus being low wing landed on it's wing box. It is the strongest part of an aircraft and absorbs a lot of the impact. The ATR being high wing landed on the fuselage, the weakest part of any aircraft. On top of this weak structure is a very heavy and strong structure. Once the fuselage struck the water, momentum stored in the wing box and attaching parts (engines) wanted too and did carry on by ripping itself from the aircraft. Much the same as you braking and you passenger not having a seatbelt on, they carry on forward. It is a ditching problem for any high wing aircraft that has wing mounted engines. Saying that it does not always work as in the Ethiopian-Airlines 767, but that is the theory of it .

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Re: Why did the Italian ATR 72 couldn't?

Postby flavio » Thu May 21, 2009 3:30 pm

The big difference between the two aircraft is the reason that one broke up and one did not. I have seen that show too and the pilot of the ATR also touched down at the correct speed and perfect angel, but the strongest part of the aircraft is on top of the fuselage, that being the wing box. The Air Bus being low wing landed on it's wing box. It is the strongest part of an aircraft and absorbs a lot of the impact. The ATR being high wing landed on the fuselage, the weakest part of any aircraft. On top of this weak structure is a very heavy and strong structure. Once the fuselage struck the water, momentum stored in the wing box and attaching parts (engines) wanted too and did carry on by ripping itself from the aircraft. Much the same as you braking and you passenger not having a seatbelt on, they carry on forward. It is a ditching problem for any high wing aircraft that has wing mounted engines. Saying that it does not always work as in the Ethiopian-Airlines 767, but that is the theory of it .

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wow nice description and I think its pretty much along those lines as well.
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