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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby C » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:45 am


Yes, a ex-pilot explained the landing on dutch television, he explained the trouble with a single wing tip hitting the water and the outstanding flying of the pilots, first thing i would try and do is landing with the tail first so the plane eases into the water, although i have no idea what the correct procedure would be.


You land tail first => tail comes off.

Wing tip first => nastiness, as per the Etheopian 767 that was hijack and ran out of fuel.

Nose first => more nastiness.

You need to be as level as possible, and have as much luck on your side as possible.

Having seen water tank tests of a well known British four jet "ditching",  you'd have a fair chance in fair seas.

BTW, the correct term is "ditching", although I have no idea what it has to do with ditches...


Ooooh, there were definately no ditches involved, only a river.

Maybe it was a rivering? ;D
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby Mictheslik » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:15 pm

A highly trained pilot just showed us BBC 6'o'clock news viewers how to land the Just Flight A320 onto lovely FSX default water using 'professional simulation software' ...what a larf :P

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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby SamYeager » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:33 pm

A highly trained pilot just showed us BBC 6'o'clock news viewers how to land the Just Flight A320 onto lovely FSX default water using 'professional simulation software' ...what a larf :P


Whoops! I thought the 'professional simulation software' was called Just Flight.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby pepper_airborne » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:31 pm

Mic, is probably just to visualize the concept of such a landing for people, not that it actually is a real simulation of how such a thing would go... i hope.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby C » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:12 pm

Mic, is probably just to visualize the concept of such a landing for people, not that it actually is a real simulation of how such a thing would go... i hope.


It was indeed. The chap flying has a PPL though. I was a bit sceptical when I heard the BBC had gone to JF, but in the end it was edited to give quite a good sequence.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby pepper_airborne » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:16 pm

Mic, is probably just to visualize the concept of such a landing for people, not that it actually is a real simulation of how such a thing would go... i hope.


It was indeed. The chap flying has a PPL though. I was a bit sceptical when I heard the BBC had gone to JF, but in the end it was edited to give quite a good sequence.


Really? Well, i suppose that would be a specialist to most people, although he will probably get mocked by his buddys on the airfield.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby Fly2e » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:28 pm

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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby C » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:54 pm

Mic, is probably just to visualize the concept of such a landing for people, not that it actually is a real simulation of how such a thing would go... i hope.


It was indeed. The chap flying has a PPL though. I was a bit sceptical when I heard the BBC had gone to JF, but in the end it was edited to give quite a good sequence.


Really? Well, i suppose that would be a specialist to most people, although he will probably get mocked by his buddys on the airfield.



To be fair, he was only doing a visual representation for the BBC to use, and certainly not expressing opinions. :)
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby a1 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:06 am

Amazing piloting by the captain. A true pilot. :)
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby an-225 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:51 am

Anyone know what speed you would have to come in at?

Using a 737/A320 configuration (engines on pylons).

I would imagine, that if you come in too fast (excess of 150 knots), the speed of the water would ram the engines off the mounting, and cause severe damage to the wing, breaking up the fuselage.

And if you come in too slow, you have to pitch up higher to maintain a slow descent rate...damaging the tail.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby expat » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:39 am

I would imagine, that if you come in too fast (excess of 150 knots), the speed of the water would ram the engines off the mounting, and cause severe damage to the wing, breaking up the fuselage.


For the third time of explaining in as many threads ;D the engines are designed to come off.......now you get the short version..........energy dissipation and if they did not, it would nose over and/or the wings would be ripped off. Full explanation Here.

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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby an-225 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:50 am

Well, I'm no 737 mechanic. I understand why they would be designed to be removed.

But it seems kinda counter-intuitive, don't you think? I sure would prefer to have my CFMs remain mounted on my plane during forward flight.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby expat » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:14 am

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But it seems kinda counter-intuitive, don't you think? I sure would prefer to have my CFMs remain mounted on my plane during forward flight.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby pepper_airborne » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:57 am

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But it seems kinda counter-intuitive, don't you think? I sure would prefer to have my CFMs remain mounted on my plane during forward flight.
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Re: US AIRWAY AIRBUS A320 CRASH

Postby expat » Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:18 pm

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But it seems kinda counter-intuitive, don't you think? I sure would prefer to have my CFMs remain mounted on my plane during forward flight.
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