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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby fabiane » Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:50 am

But they are all from North America and Northern Ireland, So they are practically home grown too ;D ;D

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ROFL.....so I guess a lot of people from Alabama are really happy today. And I already mentioned it, but noone took notice, but with Northrop beeing back in business one could imagine, that we cold see some new designs from them again. Remember the B-2 came from Northrop.

A short list of Aircrafts from Northrop:
B-2 Spirit strategic bomber
E-8C Joint STARS surveillance aircraft
RQ-4 Global Hawk
T-38 Talon supersonic trainer
BQM-74 Chukar
C-2 Greyhound
E-2 Hawkeye
EA-6B Prowler

All pretty cool designs.

Alabama gets 2000 new jobs and Airbus builds a factory in the US / Dollar room, to get rid of risks because of changes in currency exchange rates.

All in all, a win-win situation.

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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Chris_F » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:22 am

Boeing deserved to lose this contract.  Recall it was a tanker contract, perhaps this same one, that they got caught bribing military officials on probably three years ago.  In exchange for being awarded the contract Boeing gave key military officials very high paying civilian jobs.  They got caught and paid for it, and will continue to pay for it.  Frankly I hope Boeing never wins another tanker contract ever again.

Mind you this is from a pro-Boeing guy.  In the civilian biz I think they've got a great product and better product strategy than Airbus.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Tweek » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:50 am

Just read it in the news - wohoo, good news. So they based the      decision on the "what you get for your money"-factor.

Higher payload, greater range, just to mention a few....,

And as you know they'll be build in the US. ;)

And Northrop is back in the business, I just read that it'll be 2000 jobs in Mobile, Alabama created!

US military have flown a lot of foreign made planes....(copied together from a arliners.net thread):
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1290767/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0990517/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1312490/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0790659/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1042336/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0233886/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0232232/L/

So with the 787 near to its first flight - how long will the 767 line stay open?


But they are all from North America and Northern Ireland, So they are practically home grown too ;D ;D

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Ahem... http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Ma ... 1170073/L/

:P
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Vapour01 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:40 am


But they are all from North America and Northern Ireland, So they are practically home grown too ;D ;D

Matt



Ahem... http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Ma ... 1170073/L/

:P


Or how about,
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Na ... 1325306/M/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Ai ... 1331101/M/
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Brett_Henderson » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:05 am

As uncomfortable as I am with multi-national, political "One-ness"... in the 21st century, it's reality... ESPECIALLY militarily. The United States, most of Europe, Canada and Australia; are pretty much the same country, tactically. If the Islamic extremists, or re-energized Soviet Union, or eastern Asia (China /North Korea) ever decided to attack any of us, it's an attack on all of us. I fear that most of the 21st century will be a multi-front, cold war
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby The Ruptured Duck » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:10 am

But they are all from North America and Northern Ireland, So they are practically home grown too ;D ;D

Matt

ROFL.....so I guess a lot of people from Alabama are really happy today. And I already mentioned it, but noone took notice, but with Northrop beeing back in business one could imagine, that we cold see some new designs from them again. Remember the B-2 came from Northrop.

A short list of Aircrafts from Northrop:
B-2 Spirit strategic bomber
E-8C Joint STARS surveillance aircraft
RQ-4 Global Hawk
T-38 Talon supersonic trainer
BQM-74 Chukar
C-2 Greyhound
E-2 Hawkeye
EA-6B Prowler

All pretty cool designs.

Alabama gets 2000 new jobs and Airbus builds a factory in the US / Dollar room, to get rid of risks because of changes in currency exchange rates.

All in all, a win-win situation.

Cheers,
Fabian

Er, JSTARS may have been mod'd by NG, but its on a BOEING platform.

I agree with Hagar on this one, Boeing has enormous production and service capability, it just seems like it would make more sense to use them over either company.

Another thing that irks me- the economy.  You would think that creating more jobs in the US would be looked upon before making a decision.  Oh, and apparently here in ICT there would be 4,000 new jobs, rather than the 2,000 I guessed.

Yes Boeing has its business problems with shady deals, but what other manufacture in the WORLD has built so many solid airframes?
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Tweek » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:26 am

Yes Boeing has its business problems with shady deals, but what other manufacture in the WORLD has built so many solid airframes?


That doesn't make the KC-767 any better than the KC-30.

I still can't see why it's so hard to understand that they wanted the Airbus aircraft. I couldn't give a crap if the RAF started ordering Boeing, Gulfstream or Lockheed Martin aircraft, so long as they're best for our air force.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby The Ruptured Duck » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:31 am

Yes Boeing has its business problems with shady deals, but what other manufacture in the WORLD has built so many solid airframes?


That doesn't make the KC-767 any better than the KC-30.

I still can't see why it's so hard to understand that they wanted the Airbus aircraft. I couldn't give a crap if the RAF started ordering Boeing, Gulfstream or Lockheed Martin aircraft, so long as they're best for our air force.

In house reliability.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Vapour01 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:51 am

Yes Boeing has its business problems with shady deals, but what other manufacture in the WORLD has built so many solid airframes?


That doesn't make the KC-767 any better than the KC-30.

I still can't see why it's so hard to understand that they wanted the Airbus aircraft. I couldn't give a crap if the RAF started ordering Boeing, Gulfstream or Lockheed Martin aircraft, so long as they're best for our air force.

In house reliability.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby The Ruptured Duck » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:08 am

Well the AF currently uses them meaning less training.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Chris_F » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:51 am

Yes Boeing has its business problems with shady deals, but what other manufacture in the WORLD has built so many solid airframes?

Frankly I don't care if they made the only aircraft in the world, they deserve to be cut out of military contracts entirely.  Tankers aren't the only place they've had trouble, their space and satelite divisons have been involved with illegal activity as well.  Boeing just can't be trusted in the government contracting game.  I'm sure they do right by the airlines (and really who cares if they bribe an airline executive or two).  I'll pick Boeing over Airbus any day in the civilian side but not in the military market.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Anark » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:26 pm

If lots of other countries buy American aircraft then what's the big deal about the US buying a foreign aircraft?

I see no problems with this deal at all.

Like has been said before, there has probably been a careful process of deciding which is better (plus the inevitable politics involved) and the government has chosen what they think is the better option.
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby expat » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:51 pm

A couple of things come to mind here. Firstly, US aircraft manufacturers do their damndest  to try and sell to the rest of the world, often at the expense of home grown products. However when it comes to the US buying a foreign product, all we hear about is how bad this is for the US, jobs and the economy etc. Strikes me as a bit of do as we say, not as we do.
Secondly, this conversation is all about who is against Boeing and who is for Boeing and not what the better product is. The Boeing monthly production figure in comparison to Air Bus are plus or minus an aircraft or two the same. Up until Boeing ramped up it's monthly production rate of the 737 to 31 aircraft an month, Air Bus had been producing 30 A320's from the get go. So to say that Boeing production rate is greater is a non starter. OK over the history of the company, they have produced 1000's more aircraft than Air Bus, but what counts is what is possible today, not yesterday.
Thirdly, hands up those who actually work on the aircraft here. Loyalties are great, but the guys who have to have hands on each and every day are also an important factor in the equation. As hard as a pill it is to swallow, Boeing are still using quite a lot of old airframe designs and just putting new technology in the same space. A fine example of this is the 737-800. If I had to choose between the 737-800 and the Air Bus A320, the 320 every time. The aircraft was designed at the same time as the technology that was going into it and that you notice every time you have to do anything to the aircraft.

My vote goes to Air Bus, but only because they are easier to work on and when you are coming to the end of a night shift, for me it is all that counts. But at the end of the day, as in every Boeing Air Bus thread that has been opened in SimV, we are all going to have to agree to disagree.


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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby Ben R » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:59 pm

A couple of things come to mind here. Firstly, US aircraft manufacturers do their darndest  to try and sell to the rest of the world, often at the expense of home grown products. However when it comes to the US buying a foreign product, all we hear about is how bad this is for the US, jobs and the economy etc. Strikes me as a bit of do as we say, not as we do.
Secondly, this conversation is all about who is against Boeing and who is for Boeing and not what the better product is. The Boeing monthly production figure in comparison to Air Bus are plus or minus an aircraft or two the same. Up until Boeing ramped up it's monthly production rate of the 737 to 31 aircraft an month, Air Bus had been producing 30 A320's from the get go. So to say that Boeing production rate is greater is a non starter. OK over the history of the company, they have produced 1000's more aircraft than Air Bus, but what counts is what is possible today, not yesterday.
Thirdly, hands up those who actually work on the aircraft here. Loyalties are great, but the guys who have to have hands on each and every day are also an important factor in the equation. As hard as a pill it is to swallow, Boeing are still using quite a lot of old airframe designs and just putting new technology in the same space. A fine example of this is the 737-800. If I had to choose between the 737-800 and the Air Bus A320, the 320 every time. The aircraft was designed at the same time as the technology that was going into it and that you notice every time you have to do anything to the aircraft.

My vote goes to Air Bus, but only because they are easier to work on and when you are coming to the end of a night shift, for me it is all that counts. But at the end of the day, as in every Boeing Air Bus thread that has been opened in SimV, we are all going to have to agree to disagree.


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Exactly, most sensible post this thread has yet..
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Re: USAF Awards Contract to Northrop Grumman/Airbus

Postby The Ruptured Duck » Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:11 pm

[quote]A couple of things come to mind here. Firstly, US aircraft manufacturers do their darndest
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