My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

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My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby beaky » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:03 pm

She could do 120 mph indicated at less than 80% power, for one thing...once I trimmed the nose down like she wanted... man, was I surprised! Of course, conditions were quite good-dampish but very cold- but still, I didn't expect to see over 100mph. Strong engine, and just out of the woods as far as the "hidden pitfalls after break-in" thing goes...it'll take a long time to rack up 1500 more hours in this thing; I hope the airframe is still in one piece when it's time for the overhaul.

Again, it's not the kind of 140 I want, but that engine almost got me thinking...  ;D

And it is easier to trim for straight and level than even the 150, I think.

The tendency to roll right was negligible- I could easily grip the funny little yoke in such a way as to relax and still have sufficient aileron in to correct it... but of course there was no way I'd be able to fly IFR in something with such a habit.  Got to be able to fly hands-off for that, not that you would ever plan to do that. ;)
 I could tell, though, and R. confirmed it, that in good rig a 140 will trim hands-off  better than a 150... other than the "heavy wing" it was very solid. The air was very smooth and thick, but I've flown 150s in the winter, and I know. ;)  This was better.  The rudder is extremely effective; all I had to do was think about moving my feet and the control was right there, just the right amount.

I elected to sort of follow the Susquehanna River a ways, and as we passed over the next airport upriver, Bloomsburg, R. keyed the mic and called out on the Unicom frequency to a friend who was there.

"Where are you?" his friend asked.

"Look up"

 :D

This reminded me that I hadn't done much with the plane, so I hauled her over into a 45-degree bank and looped around the airport, in case R.'s friend was actually outside looking up, then headed more or less back the way we came. N72619 rolled smartly, with little adverse yaw. My turn was fairly tight, but I could tell she'd come around much tighter if necessary. and the big skylights in the overhead provide a Cherokee-like view of the inside of the turn, if you bank enough.

I just kept going, lazily following the river, gently turning and trying to see what sort of posture worked best (seats are not adjustable). I caught myself hunching a few times, but if I leaned back and relaxed it seemed very comfy, although my left elbow seemed to say "Cripes! this is worse than a 150!" Oh brother

R. went on and on about the area, the plane, and his plans for his next plane... all the while playing the Friendly Instructor very well: spotting traffic, offering little pointers, etc.

He started talking about the stall characteristics, so I said "want to demonstrate one?"
He dismissed that with "no, you go ahead and do one... enter the same way as with any Cessna."

I did some clearing turns, then pulled the carb heat, reduced the power to about 1500, and waited. Took a while to slow down (we did it "clean"), and when it broke, as I held the nose at a fairly shallow pitch attitude, it was almost a non-event. I could see also that like a Cub, this is a plane that will most likely sink and wallow on you well before it stalls in a low-power mode, which is not really a bad thing.

I asked how high he'd flown N72619. and R. said about 8,500 once, just to try it... which is impressive with a fixed-mixture carb. Nominal cruise altitude is about 5500... which seems right, on a scale that includes the 150 and 172... which generally turn in the best speed-relative-to-consumption numbers at altitudes slightly above that.

I didn't climb that high, but I did make a wide climbing turn to 3000, and took us south of Danville, above a patchy-fog-shrouded ridge. Looking at a wall-like region of crud beyond that, I decided to turn around the promontory sticking out above the fog and head back.

Getting closer, I was way off my game... flubbed my initial callup because I realized I did not really know my position relative to the field... been years- ages! since I've done something that stupid!

>:(

Eventually I had a good plan laid out to enter downwind, but as I lowered the nose a tad without touching the throttle, R. said "Um. Might want to throttle back... watch the redline."

Sure enough, the needle, seen at a glance, had fooled me: the ASI is calibrated to 180 mph(!), but redline is 140, way down near the bottom of the gauge!! So much for "trend monitoring"...

I pulled the throttle back at about 139.

Rolling out on downwind, I seemed low. R. started tapping the altimeter. "Yep; it's doing it again... you're a little low."

Easy enough to pop up; we were still pretty hot. He told me to drop full flaps at the abeam point; the center lever comes up when you do this, so if you're not careful, you can jab your elbow with it when you work the throttle. I managed to avoid that fate, even when I drew the power all the way out on base as he advised.
I must say I prefer even this awkward lever to fumbling with some goofy little toggle switch and dreading all the things that can possibly go wrong with the electric flap system on later Cessnas.

"Flap handle"... it even sounds better.  ;)

Doggone if that airplane did just not want to come down... I was high as a kite on initial final. "Go ahead and slip her... foot to the firewall..." I tried, but almost could not bring myself to slip some strangers' antique airplane like that, with the trees looming... she slipped like a dream, dropping like a gleaming aluminum brick.  
  I'm pretty sure she said "what a scaredy-cat!", too, as we whooshed in over the threshold, wing low. ;)

I was very very thankful for the still, thick air as I coaxed her onto the centerline and eased into the flare... touchdown was only a bit rough, just this side of perfect... but I spoiled it by getting my feet all discombobulated (heel/toe-wise) while trying to brake after the rollout. We swerved a little, but nothing serious.

There was suddenly a lot of traffic on the taxiways... the day was shaping up nicely, and everyone was eager to get up there and make some use of their investments. We parked by the hangar, and as I deplaned a friend of R.'s who had his own hangar across the way, asked "well? What do you think?"

"I think... I think I like it!"

   ;D

R. filled in my logbook and we spent some more time chatting about N72619, the flight, and flying in general... mostly taildraggers. His neighbor started telling me about his Aeronca Chief, so before leaving I took him up on his offer to show it to me.

It's no show-winner, but still a good ol' Aeronca. Very much like the Champ, but with some noticeable differences: side-by-side seats, for one, and a fascinating starter, which works much like that of a lawnmower or other 2-stroke, except instead of a pull rope there is a handle inside that one easily pulls to turn the C85 over a blade or two.

He claimed it started faithfully every time- for him, at least. It's a clever little pair of rings mounted behind the spinner, which is why some Chiefs have that big spinner.
He told me he'd bought it from a 747 captain who decided he was leery of flying in something with no radios.  [smiley=biglaugh.gif]

He also showed me the very minor damage that had been repaired after he lost a brake (beware those old Bendix drums) at a fly-in where others had parked too close to the grass runway... the Chief had veered into a parked Skyhawk.
     [smiley=undecided.gif]
According to him, the Cessna was "destroyed"- the wing, anyway- but his baby was easily repaired and is still flying.

Quite the character, this guy... he'd painted a Skyhawk silhouette on the cowling afterwards, as if a "kill mark"!
:evil

I had a long drive home ahead, so I reluctantly said my goodbyes and thank-yous, and left feeling very satisified...my suspicions have been confirmed: I really need a C-140!

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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby Ravang » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:19 pm

This summer I'm starting my PPL training and I was really hoping to do it in the FBO's rental 140 but they sold it :'(
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby Brett_Henderson » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:25 pm

All these neat tales of tails (couldn't resist).. Champs and Cubs and 140s, oh my.

Alas ... I can't let myself get romantic about 140s... I simply don't fit into one  :-[

We had a gorgeous, polished 140 (or mighta been a 120) visit the club last year... I'll see if I can find the photos I took..
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby beaky » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:54 pm

All these neat tales of tails (couldn't resist).. Champs and Cubs and 140s, oh my.

Alas ... I can't let myself get romantic about 140s... I simply don't fit into one  :-[

We had a gorgeous, polished 140 (or mighta been a 120) visit the club last year... I'll see if I can find the photos I took..



It is very odd that I'm going through this tail-wagging phase... but I knew it would happen eventually. ;)

I thought of my taller-than-me friends while climbing into that thing: it is tight.
 But, as Robert pointed out, the seat type makes a difference: his has the better-supported bench seat (one lap belt for both occupants, BTW!), it's worse... some have just a hunk of foam down in the pan, which makes it better for taller folks.

When I get mine, we'll get you in there somehow. Maybe take the seat out . :D
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby beaky » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:56 pm

This summer I'm starting my PPL training and I was really hoping to do it in the FBO's rental 140 but they sold it :'(


That sucks.  :(

Post a query here; someone might know where you can find another one nearby...

http://www.cessna120-140.org/forum/index.php
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby Willit Run » Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:19 pm

I love reading your stories.  Glad you had a nice test flight in her!!
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby FLYING_TRUCKER » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:23 am

Wow what a wonderful trip Sean.

You bugsmashing, rudder stomping grass roots aviator you...I hear you found another one.  Can't wait until you get your own.   ;)

Oh and could you give me an idea of what they are paying for aviation fuel there right now along with car gas, I use the regular and then once a month the high test.   :)

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby beaky » Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:36 pm

Wow what a wonderful trip Sean.

You bugsmashing, rudder stomping grass roots aviator you...I hear you found another one.  Can't wait until you get your own.   ;)

Oh and could you give me an idea of what they are paying for aviation fuel there right now along with car gas, I use the regular and then once a month the high test.   :)

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug


Unleaded regular is back up just over $3/gal in my neck of the woods.
Avgas? Hmmm...
I am actually "such a renter" that I rarely note the prices (usually rent "wet")... I didn't check Sunday, but I know in general avgas prices have jumped lately (again).

Looking at AirNav, at 47N, which has very low prices for the NYC area, I see it's currently listed at $4.25/gal.

:o

Another reason I want a 140 with an O-200... 5 gph and it will also burn "mogas"! ;D
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby Fly2e » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:12 am

Great story Sean!
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby Ravang » Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:25 pm

This summer I'm starting my PPL training and I was really hoping to do it in the FBO's rental 140 but they sold it :'(


That sucks.  :(

Post a query here; someone might know where you can find another one nearby...

http://www.cessna120-140.org/forum/index.php

Sadly the next closest airport is 50 miles away, I wouldn't mind training  in any specific kind of taildragger, but none of rentals are taildraggers , so I'll probably end up training in a 150 or 182. Also do you have to get a rating like a IFR or Multi-engine rating or is it just a checkride with a CFI? I'm asking because my future job hopefully will be as an Alaskan Bush Pilot, crazy I know but it want I want to do  ;D      
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Re: My first Cessna 140 Flight (pt 2)

Postby beaky » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:56 am

This summer I'm starting my PPL training and I was really hoping to do it in the FBO's rental 140 but they sold it :'(


That sucks.  :(

Post a query here; someone might know where you can find another one nearby...

http://www.cessna120-140.org/forum/index.php

Sadly the next closest airport is 50 miles away, I wouldn't mind training  in any specific kind of taildragger, but none of rentals are taildraggers , so I'll probably end up training in a 150 or 182. Also do you have to get a rating like a IFR or Multi-engine rating or is it just a checkride with a CFI? I'm asking because my future job hopefully will be as an Alaskan Bush Pilot, crazy I know but it want I want to do  ;D      


50 miles isn't that bad... less than an hour, usually.
But that's your call...

As for the tailwheel endorsement: it's not a rating; it doesn't go on your certificate (although I wish it did!); but you need an instructor's signature in your logbook showing you completed some kind of course (not just one ride).

This usually consists of 5-10 hours of dual in a taildragger (10 in my case, to meet that school's insurance policy requirements for solo flight... but it took me about 11 to really get the hang of landing it and feel confident enough to solo).

That signoff will apply to any other tailwheel airplane you fly in the future, but if it's a rental there will no doubt be another checkout, and it may be 10 hours or so for insurance (to solo)... depends on the policy.

Nothing crazy about wanting to fly bush in Alaska- lots of competition but lots of opportunity. But there's a "Catch 22"- most outfits won't hire you unless you already have over 1000 hours of Alaska time... the main reason is the weather. The weather along the coast, where most people live, is wild and unpredictable. Marginal VFR over rugged terrain, with the chance of ferocious winds and sudden zero-vis, is very common up there.

A good source for info on flying/working/living  in Alaska is this forum:

http://forums.aopa.org/forumdisplay.php?f=15
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