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PPL in Florida...?

Postby Cobra » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:06 am

Im gonna try and keep this short...

Basically, im 18 years old, finished A-Levels...wanna become an airline pilot. Don't wanna apply for anything as of yet though, because messed up one module of A-level Physics and only got a B, so retaking in a few weeks to pull it up to an A, & results come in March. I've done a 20 hours flying in the UK, but its really getting stupid, flying school is useless, i have different instructors each week etc and really don't think im gonna be able to finish it in the 45 hours at this rate! Sooooo...i have quite a lot of cash saved up, landed myself quite a high paying (for someone with no degree!!) office job which i have been doing for 6 months or so. I have about
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Brett_Henderson » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:32 am

Don't be in a hurry to get the PPL. I don't know how it works over there, but if you get your degree in aviation, from a large, well reputed University...  you can include in the curriculum, all your flight training, right up to instrument, commercial and multi-engine. Right now, that's the best way to get your foot in the airline door. You've got to have the degree anyway (for any type of secure, long-term future).
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Cobra » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:34 pm

I have looked into that quite a lot last year Brett, but to be honest all the 'Aviation' degree courses i have seen are a joke, and the only half decent uni that i have seen offering it was Leeds (which i really don't wanna go to!!). Over here from what i know, which isnt a vast amount, there isnt really much point in going to uni if you wanna fly for a living, infact i have been advised by many not to! Seriously though, i can't see how these courses that essentially turn a PPL into a degree can hold any merit... i think it would be a waste of time and money.

Also, though i said Airline Pilot above, i am incredibly keen to go into the RAF, i just appretiate that the odds are not that great so i don't wanna hang to many hopes upon it! (modest mode off, i think im gods gift really
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby C » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:16 pm

I don't know how it works over there, but if you get your degree in aviation, from a large, well reputed University...  you can include in the curriculum, all your flight training, right up to instrument, commercial and multi-engine. Right now, that's the best way to get your foot in the airline door.


Sadly (sort of), we don't have that type of system in the UK. Some establishments are trying to do it, but with the way our education system is funded, they are unable to provide such training.

You've got to have the degree anyway (for any type of secure, long-term future).


Not bad advice, but then again, I know people who have left their first jobs with enough saved to take sabatticals, and/or get a qualification from Open University type organisations. :)


Back to the original question. Ten years ago, going to the States to get a PPL/CPL/hours build was very popular. Sadly I believe it has become trickier post 11/9/2001, and it's worth looking into visa requirements asap before you decide. As long as you go to a JAR school you'll be fine license wise.

Other things to consider: Is it all inclusive (accomodation, food etc); will you have to pay for flights and transfers...

Personally I wouldn't bother. If you apply to the RAF, having a PPL will gve you no advantage over any other person. If you apply to CTC, or one of the other schemes, often you do not need to have completed a PPL (although for some you may have to). You'd probably be better continuing to work for a while and maybe building up with 2 or 3 hours per month. And even if you went to the States to get the PPL you'd be looking at doing at least an hour or two per month to keep it current - which if you joined the RAF may initially be quite hard to do.

I wouldn't worry about you B in Physics. If it becomes and A, great, but really an A/B at A-level is far more than sufficient (and a lot more than I ever got!). I'd apply asap to any of the schemes or the RAF (particularly, it can teake several months for the paperwork, initial interviews and selection dates) - if initially rejected it gives you longer to reapply.  :)
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Brett_Henderson » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:43 pm

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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby beaky » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:44 pm

I think Brett's advice is sound, but if you decide to go the "PP in the US" route, I'd certainly recommend Florida for the consistently good weather, if nothing else. You will be on a limited time schedule, I imagine, so although it would be useful to deal with not-so-great weather during your training, you can't afford too many cancellations.
I've only dealt with two schools in Florida (as a renter, not a student): one of them (at KORL) is gone,  but the other, Atlas Aviation at KTPF in Tampa, is alive and well, and pretty impressive. They have a good-sized fleet at decent rates, friendly staff, and all the amenities including an approved simulator (not that you'll need that for the PP)...
http://www.atlasaviationinc.com/

A bit farther west is another fine school I've rented from: the Gulf Coast Flight Training Center, at Ocean Springs Airport in Mississippi. The weather can get a bit unsettled in the summertime, but generally it's sunny and good VFR.  This outfit has even cheaper planes and fuel and a very nice base of operations. The chief instructor is, coincidentally, a transplanted Brit who speaks English as well as American.;D
 Having worked in nearby Biloxi for 8 weeks I can tell you that it's a good area for an inexpensive extended stay, although there's not much to do except fly and lounge on the beach (like there's anything wrong with that!).

http://www.oceanspringsairport.com/


I'd also recommend the Southwest, again for lots of good weather... the only place I know personally is first flight at KSDM in San Diego, CA- not as big an operation as Atlas, but a good inexpensive school with a 172, a 182, a Grumman Tiger, and of course my beloved Champ, in which I did my taildragger transition last summer. While I was there there was a young Brit who had his PP but had come to the US for a while to rack up hours towards his commercial ticket back home. He chose First Flight, and flew all of the aircraft they had on the line, including the Champ. You couldn't really do your entire PP in a plane like that, but it would be an excellent time-builder for much of that time (yes, even solo cross-country work) and instill good habits. It's also very cheap and easy on fuel... 100LL is still relatively cheap here in the US, but it's going up and up. I would consider not just fuel burn but fuel prices at the airports in question before making your decision.

http://www.firstflightcorp.com/


The site below is an excellent resource for FBO and flight school information- don't rule out schools   that don't have big splashy ads and hard-sell some kind of "PP guaranteed in 30 days!" program or whatever- with a little research you may find a more modest outfit that can still do the job for you without ripping you off to pay for the unnecessary bells and whistles and window dressing.
At any rate, whatever move you make, be sure to thoroughly research first.

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Good luck with whatever you decide... I don't want to confound you even more, but you should know that right now in this country there is a serious instructor shortage. Does this mean you will have trouble finding training? Not really... it's less a problem for students than it is for schools, especially schools that are trying to expand in order to be more competitive. What it means, though, is that there is bountiful opportunity for a young guy who wants to fly a lot and get paid for it... if you do come "over here" for some training, be sure to inquire about that. If the RAF doesn't work out for you, who knows?
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby ozzy72 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:29 pm

Drop Kevin a line as he lives in Florida and was thinking about doing his PPL a while back, he probably has all the griff you'll need (plus he is a really sound bloke and incredibly helpful) ;)
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Wii » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:40 pm

So how are you going to live there? Do you realize the prices of homes and food etc? Our two bedroom home sold for USD$400,000...I guess it depends...what part of florida? Panhandle of florida would be OK but mid to southern florida you might wanna rethink. They have great conditions for flying though ("The Sunshine state 8-)")

Edit: The conditions everywhere else in the US (other than the southwest) are pretty shitty most of the time. But also think where you're going to be flying...near the coast lots of heavy winds mid is good in the way of weather though.
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby C » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:56 pm

So how are you going to live there? Do you realize the prices of homes and food etc? Our two bedroom home sold for USD$400,000...I guess it depends...what part of florida?


Many of the flying schools in Florida offer residential courses as the flying is condensed into 3 to 4 weeks (which is actually very condensed; in the RAF a trainee pilot would never fly more than 35 hours in a month) - in fact most of those I've seen advertising in the UK do so. :).
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Hagar » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:57 pm

So how are you going to live there? Do you realize the prices of homes and food etc?

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Note that accommodation is included. It doesn't mention food but when I last visited the US the price of food was generally much cheaper than in the UK.
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Wii » Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:53 pm

So how are you going to live there? Do you realize the prices of homes and food etc?

Copied from Cobra's link.

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Note that accommodation is included. It doesn't mention food but when I last visited the US the price of food was generally much cheaper than in the UK.

I don't know much about food in the UK but MAN are fruits and vegies expensive here...
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby beaky » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:24 pm

I didn't mean to dismiss the very promising "all-inclusive" packages like the example Hagar shows... that sure looks like a good deal, and having lodgings  thrown in greatly simplifies setting the whole thing up.
But beware: be sure to do some research- at least Google the name of the school and look for feedback in forums, etc. Some people are very happy with these deals, some are frustrated because it ends up costing more or taking longer than advertised.
It's a gamble: you should get some convenience and savings by signing up for one of these packages, but you also sacrifice some control over things, and that could bite you.
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Craig. » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:41 pm

Give yourself time as far as sorting out your student visa is concerned.
When I applied to a college in america, the whole process took about 2 months to get sorted and my visa issued and delivered. While they say visa included, they dont mention there, that you will have to go to London to the US embassy and take part in a quick interview, hand your passport to the guy downstairs and just hope you see it again. I'd also suggest you check you have absolutly everything they ask you to have and everythign is signed and paid for as they ask it to be. I cant tell you how many people were sent away to find a post office because they didn't have the correct payment or the right stamp. Like me most of them had been stood outside the embassy for a good 3 hours, then sat in a very busy waiting room for a further hour. You dont want to go through that twice. :o
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Re: PPL in Florida...?

Postby Hagar » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:48 pm

I didn't mean to dismiss the very promising "all-inclusive" packages like the example Hagar shows... that sure looks like a good deal, and having lodgings  thrown in greatly simplifies setting the whole thing up.

I got my info from the link that Cobra posted. It looks like a good deal on the face of it. Quite a unique set-up, especially these days.

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This is where it's located. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ormond+Beach,+FL,+United+States+of+America&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title
Looks pretty exclusive. Strangely enough I recently discovered that one of my old acquaintances retired there some years ago after a lifetime in the aircraft industry.

Anyway, if you intend joining the RAF I would take Charlie's advice. It could save you a lot of money.
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