When is the A380-800...

[Triple_7]

Airbus or Boeing is a never ending fight.  But the main thing is...no matter how big or how small these new aircraft are...airlines are still going to cram as many seats in as possible and not give a damn as to how comfortable it is in Economy.  Therefor...new aircraft are not any better for the passenger imho :-/  You might get there faster, but after two 14+ hour flights on an Malaysia 747-400 (LAX-TPE-LAX) it didnt matter how fast we flew...5 hours in it was already misserable and couldnt get much worse after 6 hours.  So unless the airlines finally say screw "max revenue" and leave out a few rows...theres not much great about a new plane other then the fuel savings

[NDSP]

[quote]Airbus or Boeing is a never ending fight.

[vololiberista]

alledgedly the A380 could even have a swimming pool!!! I don't think the airlines will use it just to have hundreds of seats!!|  That wasn't it's design spec although it cold be fitted out that way.  
Vololiberista

[expat]

alledgedly the A380 could even have a swimming pool!!! I don't think the airlines will use it just to have hundreds of seats!!|  That wasn't it's design spec although it cold be fitted out that way.  
Vololiberista

Would the baffles not get in the way when swimming lengths  ;D

Matt

[vololiberista]

alledgedly the A380 could even have a swimming pool!!! I don't think the airlines will use it just to have hundreds of seats!!|  That wasn't it's design spec although it could be fitted out that way.  
Vololiberista

Would the baffles not get in the way when swimming lengths  ;D

Matt

Let's just say that hopefully Airbus have retained the computerised flight dynamics that allow only for 1g manouevres otherwise when the a/c lands and opens the doors at the ramp there would probably be a waterfall!!!
Mind you that would be a good idea for evacuation. It would flush the pax out of the a/c in record time!!!!!!
Vololiberista

[dcunning30]

An airplane with a swimming pool?  What will they think of next?  An airplane with spinners with Snoop Dog in the left seat?

[DizZa]

The A380 dosn't replace the 747. Anyway, MOST of the time, the A380 is in a slightly diferant market than the 747. Theres what? 100 seats diferance? 300 000 pounds?

AND guys the 787 isn't a distant dream. All parts of the thing have been built and tested, the reason it isn't flying now is it needs to be refined, tested (NOT flight testing), and finalizing. Boeing are going through parts, and maybe making some sections of composite thinner, then maybe changing steel components to titanium.

Boeing is already under the weight of what was promised to airlines, and are currently reaching internal goals.

Personally, I don't see the 787 being delayed by a year or two like the A380. Why? Boeing is years ahead of Airbus in the management game.

[vololiberista]

The A380 dosn't replace the 747. Anyway, MOST of the time, the A380 is in a slightly diferant market than the 747. Theres what? 100 seats diferance? 300 000 pounds?

AND guys the 787 isn't a distant dream. All parts of the thing have been built and tested, the reason it isn't flying now is it needs to be refined, tested (NOT flight testing), and finalizing. Boeing are going through parts, and maybe making some sections of composite thinner, then maybe changing steel components to titanium.

Boeing is already under the weight of what was promised to airlines, and are currently reaching internal goals.

Personally, I don't see the 787 being delayed by a year or two like the A380. Why? Boeing is years ahead of Airbus in the management game.

[dcunning30]

It seems Airbus solved the wiring problem for it's 1st airframe that goes to Singapore Airline.  However, what was revealing is a practice that both Airbus and Boeing are forced to operate by: deeply discounting their aircraft as compensation for delays.  I suspected this goes on, but here's proof.  According to this article, Airbus offered Thai Airway 12 A330's at practically 50% off to compensate for A380 delays.  Yikes, that's alot of money.  I wonder at what margins do aircraft manufactures operate by.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... ces27.html

[Ivan]

The JT9 problem was the engines getting oval...
A380-800 is AFAIK only ordered by Emirates who got a bunch of the standard version as a stopgap. basically this means that the 800 is still years away from the current one.

[C]

A380-800 is AFAIK only ordered by Emirates who got a bunch of the standard version as a stopgap. basically this means that the 800 is still years away from the current one.

Er - the Singapore Airlines A380 currently at Hamburg being redied for delivery is an 800, or am I missing something?

[DizZa]

Therefor...new aircraft are not any better for the passenger imho

The Boeing 787 is slightly faster than the 767, it can lower ticket prices, the cabin altitude at cruise is only 6000feet (No more god forsaken HEADACHES!), the interior is much nicer, the seats are wider and the Windows are big. It is also quieter.

In terms of passenger comfort, the 787 is vastly superior to any other current airliner, including the A380.

By the way, did you guys know that by the end of 2008, there will be more 787's in service than A380s'?

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[Woodlouse2002]

By the way, did you guys know that by the end of 2008, there will be more 787's in service than A380s'?

I'll believe that when I see it. I'd be suprised if the 787 had been delivered by the end of 2008.

[dcunning30]

By the way, did you guys know that by the end of 2008, there will be more 787's in service than A380s'?

I'll believe that when I see it. I'd be suprised if the 787 had been delivered by the end of 2008.

Well, considering Thai Airline has so far, rejected Airbus's offer to sell them A330s at almost 1/2 off to compensate for A380 delays and Germany is laying off 8000 workers due to delays, one wonders if those deliveries to Singapore Airline might be the only A380's we see flying commercially.

....better warm up those government coffers, this thing's gonna be expensive!

[Woodlouse2002]

By the way, did you guys know that by the end of 2008, there will be more 787's in service than A380s'?

I'll believe that when I see it. I'd be suprised if the 787 had been delivered by the end of 2008.

Well, considering Thai Airline has so far, rejected Airbus's offer to sell them A330s at almost 1/2 off to compensate for A380 delays and Germany is laying off 8000 workers due to delays, one wonders if those deliveries to Singapore Airline might be the only A380's we see flying commercially.

....better warm up those government coffers, this thing's gonna be expensive!

Sure. Except Singapore and Thai airlines arn't the only airlines that have ordered A380's. Also, you only say that Thai have only refused half price A330's. You don't say that they've cancelled all their A380 orders.