Splendid flight! Flight #138 pt 1... w/pix!

[RitterKreuz]

Log PIC time, but not SOLO time any time you are acting as pilot in command of an aircraft category class or type for which you are already rated and you have anyone else on board the aircraft wih you regardless of their status as a pilot or passenger. for example... you take a non pilot friend with you your logging it as PIC time but not solo because your not alone.

the only time you would be flying with someone else and NOT log it as PIC time would be IF you are flying with an instructor who is teaching you to operate a category, class or type of aircraft for which you are NOT already rated.

therfore, if you already have your private single engine land and youre with an instructor doing a lesson that is working on your commercial and your operating a single engine land aircraft - by all means log it as PIC AND DUAL - as long as you are already rated in the aircraft being flown.

If you have your private and commercial single engine land - and flying with an instructor who is instructing you for your multi engine rating - you may NOT log it as PIC because you are not yet rated in a multi engine aircraft.

log Solo any time you are the SOLE OCCUPANT OF THE AIRCRAFT. of course solo time would also go toward PIC as well... if your log book differenciates 2 seperate columns for SOLO and PIC time ...  Any time you are solo you are also PIC... but when you are PIC doesnt necessarily mean you are solo...

get it??  ;)

[beaky]

Log PIC time any time you are acting as pilot in command of an aircraft category class or type for which you are already rated and you have anyone else on board the aircraft wih you regardless of their status as a pilot or passenger. for example... you take a non pilot friend with you your logging it as PIC time but not solo because your not alone.

the only time you would be flying with someone else and NOT log it as PIC time would be IF you are flying with an instructor who is teaching you to operate a category, class or type of aircraft for which you are NOT already rated.

therfore, if you already have your private single engine land and youre with an instructor doing a lesson that is working on your commercial and your operating a single engine land aircraft - by all means log it as PIC AND DUAL - as long as you are already rated in the aircraft being flown.

If you have your private and commercial single engine land - and flying with an instructor who is instructing you for your multi engine rating - you may NOT log it as PIC because you are not yet rated in a multi engine aircraft.

log Solo any time you are the SOLE OCCUPANT OF THE AIRCRAFT. of course solo time would also go toward PIC as well... if your log book differenciates 2 seperate columns for SOLO and PIC time ...  Any time you are solo you are also PIC... but when you are PIC doesnt necessarily mean you are solo...

get it??  ;)

Yeah... what he said.  ;)

How about a flight review? That is dual and PIC also, right (but obviously not solo)?
Or is the VFR BFR not considered "instruction"?


I have all mine logged as both... I'm almost certain that's correct, but...  :-/

[RitterKreuz]

well, according to FAR part 61.56


Sec. 61.56  Flight review.

   (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (f) of this section, a
flight review consists of a minimum of 1 hour of FLIGHT TRAINING and 1
hour of GROUND TRAINING. The review must include: - - - yadda yadda yadda

since the FAA dropped the words "FLIGHT TRAINING" and "GROUND TRAINING" into that paragraph... technically speaking a BFR is a TRAINING event and would be logged as DUAL

further on down the text says...

(1) Accomplished a flight review given in an aircraft FOR WHICH THAT PILOT IS RATED by an authorized instructor and... - yadda yadda yadda

so... this means that if you were a Private Pilot Single Engine Land you can only do a BFR in an airplane in which you are rated to act as PIC AKA single engine land

short answer... BFRs are both dual AND pic

[RitterKreuz]

monty python could do one hell of a skit with this material  ;D

[beaky]

Roj... the "1 hr of each"  rule is new; I done forgot it would of course be clarified in the FARs.
But regardless, they sure seem like lessons to me! The oral from my last BFR was almost as tough as for my PP checkride...


[quote]well, according to FAR part 61.56


Sec. 61.56

[RitterKreuz]

try to do your BFR with the instructor that trained you.  ;)

if that is not possible try and do the flight review with an instructor who see's you out at the airport frequently.

If the guy already knows what your made of or he is confident that you stay current he will be less hesitant to put his name in your book!

When i had a stranger come in for a BFR... i always did everything by the book 100% 1 hour on the ground with questions about regulations, performace etc and 1 hour in flight with stalls, slow flight, steep turns, engine outs, short and soft field landings etc etc.

now if i knew the guy well or trained the guy... the review was "Fly me to Bumfu*k municipal and lets get a hamburger and come back" en route there would be an engine out and a stall to the warning horn. the oral would take place en route add usually only consist of real world questions like "when do i have to wear my seatbelt?"   "how many people can you fit in this airplane?"  "how many if it is hot outside?"    "if you move to another city do you have to report that to the FAA?" and that was about it.

so its really to your advantage to BFR with a guy you know and who knows you.

[beaky]

try to do your BFR with the instructor that trained you.  ;)

if that is not possible try and do the flight review with an instructor who see's you out at the airport frequently.

If the guy already knows what your made of or he is confident that you stay current he will be less hesitant to put his name in your book!

When i had a stranger come in for a BFR... i always did everything by the book 100% 1 hour on the ground with questions about regulations, performace etc and 1 hour in flight with stalls, slow flight, steep turns, engine outs, short and soft field landings etc etc.

now if i knew the guy well or trained the guy... the review was "Fly me to Bumfu*k municipal and lets get a hamburger and come back" en route there would be an engine out and a stall to the warning horn. the oral would take place en route add usually only consist of real world questions like "when do i have to wear my seatbelt?"   "how many people can you fit in this airplane?"  "how many if it is hot outside?"    "if you move to another city do you have to report that to the FAA?" and that was about it.

so its really to your advantage to BFR with a guy you know and who knows you.

The one who trained me? There were 5 total during my PP, and all but one died of heart failure... no, just kidding... they've moved on, and so have I.
 Five instructors... it's a miracle I ever finished!! All the reviewing, etc...
 But in the end, I benefitted from that, because each one taught me something the others didn't, and I was never nervous about stage checks and other one-time flights with a strange CFI... most lessons I'd show up and not know who I'd be flying with, anyway!

This last BFR was after a couple of years' hiatus and starting over at a new facility, so it couldn't be helped. My previous one was with the same guy who'd checked me out for rentals at a different FBO just earlier, so that was simpler... he knew my ability already. But he didn't rubber-stamp me, either.

But I honestly enjoyed getting grilled and worked over on this last one- I needed it after so long on the ground. For me, it was not just to be legal- it was proper refresher training. Sadly, I can't remember the most outrageous question on the oral (maybe it'll come to me), but he had some real left-fielders. This was one of those guys with two or three giant binders full of study materials, much of it his own customized notes and charts... an aspiring airline pilot, and he really knew his stuff.
I even suggested we do two flights... he was very thorough, but not a prick about it.

Oh, I do recall one good thing: to check my VFR chart-interpretation skills, he slapped down the Los Angeles TCA... LOL!! Never flown there; never seen that chart. I know the NYC one damn well, but it was like seeing a TCA for the first time. Jogged a few gears loose in my head that I hadn't used in years.