Boeing vs Airbus

[born_2_fly]

I stick by my opinion that Boeing is an 'in house' operation whereas Airbus is a collaberation between several countries. I appreciate that parts are brought in from other countries, such as electronics or hydraulic systems, but the majority of design, manufacturing and construction of the aircraft is done In the US. Whereas the components built for airbus in the UK, Spain and Germany are bits such as whole wing assemblies or entire fuselage sections! Which are then transported to France to be assembled along with the French built parts. The only advantages I can possibly see from this strategy are creating more jobs in the EU and strengthening the community as a whole. Does this out-weigh the very public blunders and economic costs of transporting these huge bits of aircraft thousands of miles across Europe?

I think it's funny how you seem to hand out completely un-informed statement about a subject that you seeminly do not understand.

Firstly, you post is a quiet blatent attempt at making a flame ware between Pro Airbus people, and Pro Boeing.

Secondly, did you stop to think that MAYBE, the USA is a very large country, and that infact some distances that boeing part are transported are much furthur than airbus? OK, so Tail sections, and engines and such ahve to be transported by boat, did you realize that THERE HAPPENS TO BE LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER BETWEEN BRITAIN AND FRANCE? Its called the channel. And, im sure that if Airbus could trnasport compnents by train they would, as it would save themselves alot of trouble.

Thirdly, this argument you are using that Airbus parts are being flown in from everywhere, did you stop to think that hummm... wait, it that Boeing building a LCF? But no wait, that it for a completely different reason, as that will be flying parts inside of a country, so it must be OK, oh yes, that makes sense.

Also, you have completely contradicted yourself in your post.

appreciate that parts are brought in from other countries, such as electronics or hydraulic systems, but the majority of design, manufacturing and construction of the aircraft is done In the US.

But hang on...

Which are then transported to France to be assembled along with the French built parts

So where are you trying to go with this? Humm... round in circles me thinks.]

Basically, you are very un-informed on the subject. And are quiet clearly trying to make members of this forums divided, over a petty matter.

Its people like you that just make my day.

Alex

[C]

THERE HAPPENS TO BE LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER BETWEEN BRITAIN AND FRANCE? Its called the channel. And, im sure that if Airbus could trnasport compnents by train they would, as it would save themselves alot of trouble.

To be fair. there is a train tunnel under the Channel...


I don't think it's be enough for aeroplane parts though

[jb2_86_uk]

Firstly, you post is a quiet blatent attempt at making a flame ware between Pro Airbus people, and Pro Boeing.

...quiet clearly trying to make members of this forums divided, over a petty matter.

born_2_fly!

Its a Boeing vs Aibus Thread. The whole point is for people to claim their preference and discuss why. And its funny how in 6 pages of posts, your the only person to think I am inciting a riot between members. Ever heard of "throwing more fuel on the fire"

Grow Up

[Hagar]

Must be the hot weather or something.

Secondly, did you stop to think that MAYBE, the USA is a very large country, and that infact some distances that boeing part are transported are much furthur than airbus? OK, so Tail sections, and engines and such ahve to be transported by boat, did you realize that THERE HAPPENS TO BE LARGE AMOUNT OF WATER BETWEEN BRITAIN AND FRANCE? Its called the channel. And, im sure that if Airbus could trnasport compnents by train they would, as it would save themselves alot of trouble.

I'm not sure what your point is Alex. You obviously didn't read the article I quoted:

[i]70 percent of the Dreamliner, which is due to take to the skies in 2008, is being built outside the United States. And up to 60 percent of the production work on Airbus's answer to the 787

[Brett_Henderson]

Those percentages are like statistics and are difficult to interpret; easy to manipulate...

By this logic:

A major component is assembled in country "A", with parts from country "B", with a control unit from country "C", using circuit boards made in country "D", where the integrated-circuits (made in country "E") were mounted to the board in country "F".... and on and on...

You could probably show how, taking out all but the parent company countries, a Boeing is more European than a Airbus, and an Airbus is more American than a Boeing..

[Hagar]

Those percentages are like statistics and are difficult to interpret; easy to manipulate...

By this logic:

A major component is assembled in country "A", with parts from country "B", with a control unit from country "C", using circuit boards made in country "D", where the integrated-circuits (made in country "E") were mounted to the board in country "F".... and on and on...

True but it doesn't alter the fact that major component parts (like the fuselage & wings) of American & European aircraft have been manufactured & assembled in countries like Japan & China for several years. These parts might be shipped to the parent factory for final assembly for now but how much longer will this last? It would be much easier & also make sense to assemble the finished product right where the majority of the parts themselves are manufactured.

PS.

[Brett_Henderson]

Oh.. I agree !  That's why loyalty to either one of these companies on a patriotic or regional basis is silly.

I'm partial to Boeings purely for nostalgic reasons.. If I owned an airline.. I'd probably have more Airbus craft in my fleet than Boeing.. (but I'd be clinging to my DC-10s with a passion  lol ) ..   I miss MD  

[Nexus]

I think of airplanes as I think of architects and their works. (which is another hobby of mine, Antonio Gaud

[born_2_fly]

No Hagar, I read your post. But I was simply responding to the quote I used in my post, that even after you said so, someone still didn't understand. I hardly think that I am the one needing to grow up, infact, I am neutral between both Airbus and Boeing, it just Irritated me that someone is using contradictory statements to back up Boeing, that could be used in exact reverse for Airbus. So OK, I was tired when I wrote my post and yes, Hagar is right (its hot!), but I take back nothing I said.
You basically said: Yes ok, I understand that Boeing parts are built all over the US, and the world, but it all comes together in Everret, and its built in one place.
Which is your argument against Airbus?!

Basically I'm trying to say that no company nowa-days in truly native to one country. Rolls Royce, reagrded as the most British car manufacturer, is German owned. And from what I saw in a tour around thier Goodwood site, is all the parts come from Germany, and built in the UK. Same with 'Swiss' Watches. The components are made in China, and shipped there just so that the company can say its Swiss.

So basically your theory doesnt stand up. If Europe was one big land mass, then I am sure Airbus would transport components by rail. But the truth is that its not. And obviously Airbus have the right idea, as Boeing is following suit. Albeit 20 years late.
So hows about you stop the needless Airbus bashing, both companies are different. OK, Airbus is going through a 'panic' right now, just as Boeing did when the A320 family, and the A330 was released. But in the ever changing world of global trade. No-one know what is going to happen in the next few years, or even next week. The 787 could have a massive design flaw, and never go into production, Unlikely yes, but not impossible. Both companies are 'floating' on only s few aircraft. For Airbus its the A320 and A330 lines, and for Boeing, the 737(Just) and 777.


So leave off and hows about you grow up.

Alex

[Hagar]

So leave off and hows about you grow up.

I'm sorry but you seem to be the only one getting your knickers in a twist over this.

[C]

So leave off and hows about you grow up.

Harsh! It takes a brave chap to say that about SimV's senior member...

I'm sorry but you seem to be the only one getting your knickers in a twist over this.

Indeed...

[Craig.]

Well what a shock this is, an a vs b thread going into arguments over pointless little things.
And once again it appears to be the younger ones trying to tell those with much more actual knowledge of these things, how it really is.
Time for the mod keys I think.

[Mictheslik]

Anyway, i say this thread is getting a bit hot-headed. How about we all calm down a bit and have a mature discussion.

Just found out today that Airbus will reveal the new design for the A350 at Farnborough next week...should be interesting.

.Mic

[Craig.]

Anyway, i say this thread is getting a bit hot-headed. How about we all calm down a bit and have a mature discussion.

Just found out today that Airbus will reveal the new design for the A350 at Farnborough next week...should be interesting.

.Mic

That would be against the press release saying there would be no-news on the A350 at Farnborough, or untill the new leadership had fully cleaned the books. that was released last week.

[Mictheslik]

well, in the Bristol evening post today (business section) It said that they were revealing the new design. Seeing as Airbus is the largest employer in Bristol, i think that's also pretty reliable

.Mic