Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby beefhole » Sat May 20, 2006 10:30 am

Well, obviously it was not necissary for them to immediately land, as there was no imminent danger to the aircraft or its inhabitants.  However, I do believe they should have made a radio call.  When something large falls off your plane over a populated area, informing ATC will make things a lot easier for you.  If I lost, say, a window out of my 172, I simply would've made a call like "Philly approach be advised I just lost a window over..." That way, there's no second guessing your actions later.
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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby Theis » Sat May 20, 2006 10:32 am

I couldn't help wondeing what the German media makes of all those little swastikas painted below the missing canopy. I thought it was illegal to display the swastika in Germany on a German aircraft, never mind an American one.


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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby C » Sat May 20, 2006 12:04 pm

[quote]Well, obviously it was not necissary for them to immediately land, as there was no imminent danger to the aircraft or its inhabitants.
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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby Hagar » Sat May 20, 2006 12:25 pm

I would like to see a more reliable report before accusing anyone of anything, especially if the German media is anything like ours. ::)

I'm not familiar with the P-51D canopy but in my experience these are a pretty hefty chunk of hardware. I reckon they were very lucky that it didn't damage either them or the aircraft when it came off. Also extremely lucky that it didn't hit anyone when it fell from a great height. This could easily have killed someone.

From the other photo from Steven's link the radio mast that is mounted directly aft of the canopy looks undamaged.

I've seen reports that the pilot phoned the owner directly after landing & then did a runner, presumably back to England. Now that seems strange as the chap in the front seat in that photo looks very much like Rob Davies who owns & displays BBD. Rob Davies is a highly experienced display pilot & a respected businessman. I don't think he's the type to duck his responsibilities. http://www.woodchurchwarbirds.com/rob1.htm
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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby beefhole » Sat May 20, 2006 12:29 pm


Even if he tried to make a call (and I haven't seen anything to say he didn't) there is no guarantee that ATC would know what he was talking about, or whether they'd be able to hear him at all anyway, as he was using a helmet mounted boom mic.

As I've said though, try making yourself heard when you're standing/sitting in open air 6ft behind 12 exhaust stubbs of a Roll Royce Merlin...

Well, I was about to respond that I would have at least tried for the purposes of covering my own ass, but I guess a garbled and incoherent message is worse than no message at all, because it will cause confusion.

Rob Davies is a highly experienced display pilot & a respected businessman. I don't think he's the type to duck his responsibilities.

No one said anything about ducking responsibilities Doug.  He was not obligated to contact ATC, it is a questionable choice however.  Very well may have been the right one.
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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby Hagar » Sat May 20, 2006 12:33 pm

[quote]No one said anything about ducking responsibilities Doug.
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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby C » Sat May 20, 2006 12:34 pm

I've seen reports that the pilot phoned the owner directly after landing & then did a runner, presumably back to England. Now that seems strange as the chap in the front seat in that photo looks very much like Rob Davies who owns & displays BBD.


Exactly why I was very sceptical of the reports, as it is indeed Rob Davies in the front!

As for the canopy, apparently it is quite (relatively) light, contrary to what I thought (can't remember the exact figure that I saw...)...
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Re: Big Beautiful Doll has a little problem...

Postby expat » Sat May 20, 2006 2:10 pm

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