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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:47 pm


My students won't solo until they've passed the written and if less than 90%.. not until they're at 90% proficiency in my eyes. They will not go up alone without at least calling me and relating their intentions and letting ME make the weather decision.. ideally, meeting me at the airport for preflight.

So who made you the master of flight? Surely if someone can read a weather forcast and a pressure chart they should be more than capable of making their own weather decisions. And if they've managed to obtain there PPL they should also be able to make their own preflight checks. Surely the whole point of obtaining a PPL or any sort of flying licience is so that you don't have to phone up your instructor to find out the weather and to check the plane for you.

Learning to fly is already the most legistlated hobby you could possibly get involved in and the more legislation you come across the more you have to pay. This sport pilot programme offers flying to more than just the rich or pedantically dedicated. As a pilot who knows the joys of flight you should praise such a progamme instead of bodyslamming it from every possible angle. Just because you have a PPL it doesn't mean you can spit on these sport pilots because of the route they chose. Just remember that even you once upon a time had only 20 hours of flying time and how would you have felt towards anyone who called you an unnessacery hazard to the more experienced?
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:05 pm

The OK-ing of a flight pertains to STUDENT SOLO pilots... under the guidance of an instructor(read more carefully, please)..

AND IT'S
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby beaky » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:07 pm

There's a factor you haven't considered regarding student solo x-c approval, Woodie- put yourself in a CFI's shoes. Remember that your student has not passed written or checkride yet... and by "preflight" I don't think he meant the walkaround; students should have that down cold before their first solo.
But I'll leave it to Brett to explain... ;D
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:06 pm

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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby beaky » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:36 pm

Good points again...all of this must be considered. I was lucky to have one instructor who actually showed me spin entry; did about 1/2 turn... it taught me much more about that situation than all the book-learnin' and Recognition and Recovery drills I'd ever done.
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:42 pm

[quote]But I thought you were going to remind Woodie that as CFI, you'd be held liable to some extent
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby beaky » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:56 pm

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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:57 pm

I executed my first spin and recovery in a Tomahawk
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby beaky » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:21 pm

[quote]I executed my first spin and recovery in a Tomahawk
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Hagar » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:33 pm

[quote]That's one of the things I'd change about even a standard PPL..
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:57 pm

Agreed... There will be the whole range of: Least competent/capable to most competent/capable.. no matter where you set the slider..  but I see no point in moving it down; for training or medical requirements.

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Looking at recent experience with these airplanes, and given the relatively minimum training to be required, it appears that if a lot of people are attracted to light sport flying, we could have an aeronautical slaughter of epic proportions
.. weren't mine... They're that of a respected pilot and aviation writer (both periodicals and his own books) who has more than a passing interest in the future health of G/A.. AND.. they pretty much reflect the attitude of the 30,000hr instructor who's forgoten more about flying than I now know..

OK.. I really am done now *smirk*.. Getting this worked up is tiring.
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Hagar » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:06 pm

OK.. I really am done now *smirk*.. Getting this worked up is tiring.

You're entitled to your opinion but please don't smirk at me. I might not have a PPL but I do have a lifetime of experience in aviation & I have always been involved with the training side of things. My first job in the business was with the most experienced & repected flying instructor in the UK at that time & possibly for all time.
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Brett_Henderson » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:08 pm

Sorry.. that was a generic expression.. not directed personally, but toward this whole topic..
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby Hagar » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:09 pm

Accepted.
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Re: Flying just got cheaper!!

Postby C » Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:02 pm

There I would agree 100%. In my day (1960s) stall & spin recovery was compulsory before the pupil's first solo. I'm not sure when this was changed but don't think too many modern trainers are rated for spinning so it wouldn't be possible now.


When I was learning in Cessna's I always thought the spin recovery placard on the sun visor was interesting. Nowadays, a few hundred spins later I understand its futility! If you're at Cessna altitudes, get into a spin and can read that and logically implement what it is saying you deserve a medal!

There's only one way to learn get out of a spin - and that's to learn & practice them with someone who can spin proficiently (ie, an instructor)... I do both upright and inverted spinning at least once a month to keep current - and I'm considerably more practiced than most!
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