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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby C » Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:31 am

This low enough for you? Emphasised by the fact my cam focused on the runway marker rather than the aircraft (hence terrible quality!).


Another gear just raised cheat! Doesn't count! ;) ;D
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby F3Hadlow » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:43 pm


Another gear just raised cheat! Doesn't count! ;) ;D


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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby Tom. » Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:49 pm

+ there is NO heathaze so it cant really be after take off
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby F3Hadlow » Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:54 pm

+ there is NO heathaze so it cant really be after take off


I hadn't thought of that, clarify what you mean please?
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby C » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:48 am

+ there is NO heathaze so it cant really be after take off


You won't see very much heat haze from exhausts that small, particularly with the addition of smoke. Anyway, it has to be after take off if it is at a UK show otherwise it would be highly illegal...
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby bartender » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:46 am

by the way the SU27 has a manouver called the cobra. you can basicaly fly verticaly backwards, it is known for this manouver and is the only plane in the world that can do this. Those are some sweet shots
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby Hagar » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:17 am

by the way the SU27 has a manouver called the cobra. you can basicaly fly verticaly backwards, it is known for this manouver and is the only plane in the world that can do this.

Impressive but not flying backwards. The Harrier is the only aircraft capable of that.

This is a description of the "Kulbit" manoeuvre.
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One demonstration will be the "Kulbit" (which means "circle" in Russian), a high angle-of-attack (AOA) "Cobra" pitch-up, followed by a low-airspeed, looplike vertical rotation (below). A variation on the Cobra maneuver first demonstrated by the Sukhoi Su-27, this "somersault" combines rapid deceleration with a full 360-deg., tight-diameter "loop."

From a horizontal attitude, a pilot rapidly pitches the nose up, using the integrated fly-by-wire flight control and TVC systems to command high pitch rates (positions 1-5). Altitude gain is minimal, and airspeed drops quickly as AOA reaches 90 deg.; the aircraft is still moving horizontally. With airspeed below 50 kt., the aircraft goes inverted and the nose falls through the horizontal (6-8). As airspeed increases, the pilot pulls through the nose-down vertical position and back to horizontal, accelerating in the same direction as he started the maneuver (9-12).

This modified Cobra could force an adversary to overshoot, positioning the Su-37 for a missile shot."

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This is the "Cobra"
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PS. Now watch the video & be amazed. I saw this routine at the 1996 Farnborough Air Show. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/69832/russian_demo_flight/
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby C » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:34 am

Impressive but not flying backwards. The Harrier is the only aircraft capable of that.


Helicopter pilots would disagree. The only aeroplane capable of flying backwards (An-2s in strong headwinds don't count!) ;) ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby Hagar » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:37 am

Helicopter pilots would disagree. The only aeroplane capable of flying backwards (An-2s in strong headwinds don't count!) ;) ;D ;D ;D

I knew should have qualified that statement. Of course I meant real aeroplanes with wings. Helicopters don't count. :P
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby C » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:46 am

I knew should have qualified that statement. Of course I meant real aeroplanes with wings. Helicopters don't count. :P


Helicopters are wrong*... ;) ;D ;D ;D


*having said that, I'll now probably end up flying them! ;D
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby F3Hadlow » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:49 am

Thats right, you'll be flying with 202 out of EGQM! :P ;)
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby Tom. » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:19 pm

another view
Hmm image not showing up so the link http://app.newsgd.com/NewsGD/UI/NewsGDS ... icindex=12
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby C » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:21 pm

Impressive but not flying backwards. The Harrier is the only aircraft capable of that.

This is a description of the "Kulbit" manoeuvre.
[i]"Kulbit

One demonstration will be the "Kulbit" (which means "circle" in Russian), a high angle-of-attack (AOA) "Cobra" pitch-up, followed by a low-airspeed, looplike vertical rotation (below). A variation on the Cobra maneuver first demonstrated by the Sukhoi Su-27, this "somersault" combines rapid deceleration with a full 360-deg., tight-diameter "loop."
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That did have the advantage of some serious thrust vectoring nozzles though when it was flown from S+L at Farnborough... ;D
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby Hagar » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:00 pm

That did have the advantage of some serious thrust vectoring nozzles though when it was flown from S+L at Farnborough... ;D

Indeed. I'm sure that demonstrating that was the whole reason behind the highly impressive display routine.

Did you watch that vid from my link? Best I've seen on the Web.
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Re: Is This For Real?

Postby Jakemaster » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:16 pm

COOL VIDEO! but I think other planes can do the cobra, just not as well.  I saw on TV a guy do it in an extra.
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