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Postby Bubblehead » Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:04 pm

It's bad enough driving while using cell phones but flying using cell phones? Recently with had a light plane which crashed (no bad weather, no mechanical problems) killing the pilot whom the investigator said was using his cell phone during approach.

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Re: Cell Phones

Postby elite marksman » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:21 pm

Wow, the stupidity of the human race never ceases to amaze me... I wouldn't have a problem at all with anyone, including the PIC of a commercial bird using a cell while they are at a non-essential time of the flight, but during approach? This guy was just an idiot.
This sounds like the undercover Fox report a couple of days ago. A conductor on a commuter train was reading the newspaper while he was in control of the train. What the problem there, its not like he can miss a turn, and if there's another train on the tracks, you're screwed anyway.
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby beefhole » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:44 pm

My god... what a ****ing dumbass.  Absolutely unbelievable.... the stupidity of the human race is indeed without boundaries.
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby BFMF » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:15 pm

He was using a cell phone during approach??? :o He should have known better. Letting something distract you during a critical phase of flight can kill you
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby cloud9 » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:20 pm

can kill you

::) Hmmm... Let me think on that one ::)

light plane which crashed


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Re: Cell Phones

Postby VVM » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:18 pm

This sounds like the undercover Fox report a couple of days ago. A conductor on a commuter train was reading the newspaper while he was in control of the train. What the problem there, its not like he can miss a turn, and if there's another train on the tracks, you're screwed anyway.
it is posible that he could have gone through a red signal. an even if there is another train on the tracks, you can still reduce the seriousness of the accident by slowing down even if its only by a small amount
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby C » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:33 pm

He was using a cell phone during approach??? :o He should have known better. Letting something distract you during a critical phase of flight can kill you


Natural selection?... ;)
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby Bubblehead » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:50 pm

How about this. Cessna Citation coming in at 223 knots at Palomar Airport (North of San Diego, CA), touched down 1500 feet too far, used the reverser, then decided to abort landing by retracting the reverser and gunning up speed. Too late. Four killed. Could've made it if the runway was 12,000 feet along. Palomar is a municipal airport with 6K feet runway.

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Re: Cell Phones

Postby C » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:53 pm

How about this. Cessna Citation coming in at 223 knots at Palomar Airport (North of San Diego, CA), touched down 1500 feet too far, used the reverser, then decided to abort landing by retracting the reverser and gunning up speed. Too late. Four killed. Could've made it if the runway was 12,000 feet along. Palomar is a municipal airport with 6K feet runway.

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Sounds just as daft as the first... ::)
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby beefhole » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:57 pm

That citation incident is by far the second strangest I've ever heard-the weirdest going to the BA pilot that was sucked out of the plane at 17,000' and survived.  Of course, that incident didn't involve any stupidity, just a tremendous amount of luck.
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby Hagar » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:19 pm

the weirdest going to the BA pilot that was sucked out of the plane at 17,000' and survived.

I remember that when it happened. I think the aircraft landed at Southampton, not that far from here.

I also remember reading the incident report. The window had been fitted using incorrect bolts. He was very lucky indeed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390

From the official CAA report. http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP718.PDF
On 10 June 1990, a BAC 1-11 aircraft (British Airways Flight 5390) departed Birmingham International Airport for Malaga, Spain, with 81 passengers, four cabin and two flight crew. The co-pilot was the pilot flying during the take-off and, once established in the climb, the pilot-in-command handled the aircraft in accordance with the operator's normal operating procedures. At this stage both pilots released their shoulder harnesses and the pilot-in-command loosened his lap-strap. As the aircraft was climbing through 17 300 feet pressure altitude, there was a loud bang and the fuselage filled with condensation mist indicating that a rapid decompression had occurred. A cockpit windscreen had blown out and the pilot-in-command was partially sucked out of his windscreen aperture. The flight deck door blew onto the flight deck where it lay across the radio and navigation console.

The co-pilot immediately regained control of the aircraft and initiated a rapid descent to FL 110. The cabin crew tried to pull the pilot-in-command back into the aircraft but the effect of the slipstream prevented them from succeeding. They held him by the ankles until the aircraft landed. The investigation revealed that the accident occurred because a replacement windscreen had been fitted with the wrong bolts.


PS. Full AAIB report here. http://www.avsaf.org/reports/BRITISH/1990.06.10_BritishAirwaysPlc_5390.pdf
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby Ecko » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:59 pm

The BA pilot thingy is just crazy!! :o :o
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby Hai Perso Coyone? » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:17 pm

The BA pilot thingy is just crazy!! :o :o


I agree :o :o
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby C » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:31 pm

I remember that when it happened. I think the aircraft landed at Southampton, not that far from here.


An amazing incident, and it did indeed terminate in Southampton with one very battered Captain, exhausted F/O and injured cabin crew...

The only similar type incidents I can think of to these general happened on the wings of burning Lancasters and Halifaxes over the night skies of Germany, and were (necessarily) intentional...
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Re: Cell Phones

Postby beefhole » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:39 pm

The BA pilot thingy is just crazy!! :o :o

Doesn't quite cover it-the actual medical chances of surviving something like that are quite literally zero (saw a show on the incident, I believe it was Air Disaster).  As I don't believe in "external help", I have to crown him the luckiest man in the galaxy... possibly universe.
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