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Pre 1980's biz jets and reduced vertical

Postby Gary R. » Sat Apr 09, 2005 8:44 pm

I am aware that before long there is going to be reduced vertical separation minimums and that planes that aren't equipped a certain way are going to be limited to FL 250 or under.  Now, short of a complete avionics upgrade, what kind of modifications would be made to a pre-1980's (pre FMC) biz jet to enable it to comply with the reduced vertical separation standards?  I'm refering to planes like early lears, jetstar 2's, falcon 50's etc. of which many are still flying.  What model of GPS recievers are authorized for older biz jets? etc.
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Re: Pre 1980's biz jets and reduced vertical

Postby Citationpilot » Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:21 pm

www.rvsm.com

That might help you out a little.
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Re: Pre 1980's biz jets and reduced vertical

Postby OTTOL » Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:52 pm

Welp........coupla things here......

290 is the bottom of RVSM airspace and RVSM have already been in affect in the CONUS since January 20, 0901UTC. The latest B/CA estimates indicate that a majority of the corporate aircraft in the US have already been modified and certified.

Most modern jets that were built in the last 30 years can comply with FAA/CFR 91-RVSM with less than $200,000usd worth of modifications.
I can't speak for the Falcon or the Jetstar(why would you want to prolong the life of a Jester anyway?) but we spent nearly half a million on our Lear 35. Our case is an extreme example(my boss went for all of the bells and whistles)and if you just want to equip for compliance, a Lear 35 can be done for as little as $75,000usd. The FC-200 autopilot is perfectly capable of maintaining the +/-65feet required under the regs when the airplane is equipped with a Rosemont pitot system. After that the only other big money item would be a new altimeter with an ADC.

Now, short of a complete avionics upgrade, what kind of modifications would be made to a pre-1980's (pre FMC) biz jet to enable it to comply with the reduced vertical separation standards? What model of GPS recievers are authorized for older biz jets? etc.
I think you're misunderstanding the requirements or have been misinformed. You don't need an FMC or a GPS to fly in RVSM airspace. What you do need is more sensitive altitude sensing and reporting equipment:
-a cross coupled pitot/static system
-an ADC
-Mode C Xponder, capable of providing a digitally coded signal corresponding to the displayed PA
-altitude alerter
-A/P capable of maintaining +/- 65 feet in still air

Now, I haven't seen any airplanes certified without a GPS but I do know of two Lear 35's that only use a KLN90(course guidance only, no pretty picture)and have no FMS.
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Re: Pre 1980's biz jets and reduced vertical

Postby Gary R. » Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:19 pm

Okay.
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