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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Saratoga » Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:58 pm

Supercruise is the ability to reach and maintain a supersonic cruising speed without using afterburners. Sorry Concorde fans, it can't do it. :P
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Rifleman » Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:02 pm

Saratoga, if you are thinking of infering that Concorde wasn't capable of supercruise, then please, take a trip HERE, then come back and tell us all how it managed flying for hours in afterburner, without towing a fuel trailer behind itself.......?
Further info is available HERE.....I was lucky enough to find this online. I have a copy of the same book, brought back from Heathrow, back in the early 80's by my mother.
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Saratoga » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:17 pm

Well I shall rephrase. But only after this: And I quote:
...exceed Mach 1 in level flight without afterburners...able to cruise at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners...

The Concorde cannot reach it's Mach 2 cruising speed without afterburners, period. Due to the huge drag curve between Mach 1 and Mach 1.4, it's impossible (well a dive perhaps...). It CAN supercruise at like Mach 1.05 and it can easily cruise at Mach 2, just it can't reach 2 without the burners.
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:45 pm

I'd like to see an F22 reach mach 2 with out afterburners either.
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Craig. » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:05 pm

typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby C » Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:19 pm

typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.


Which the Typhoons will never ever be allowed to go near. Not allowed to have fun anymore... ::) :)
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:01 pm

typhoon does mach 1.3 without burners. Raptor does 1.5 without them. Both have a top speed of about Mach 2 though.

Still slower than the Lightning then. :P
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Craig. » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:03 pm

i know its tough, but please Woody. Let the Lightning go. Her service has come to an end and she isnt coming back. ;D
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby C » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:05 pm

But more economical and with slightly better avionics and defensive aids. and the pilot has to dress up to look like and alien... ;)
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Craig. » Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:07 pm

which is always cool:) Plus they are just a little safer:)
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:04 pm

Poppycock! Just lame excuses for not being able to develop a fighter better than one made 50 years ago. ;D
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Re: The times they are a changin'...

Postby Saratoga » Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:24 pm

Poppycock! Just lame excuses for not being able to develop a fighter better than one made 50 years ago. ;D


I agree! ;D
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