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A speed question...

Postby jrpilot » Thu Aug 26, 2004 8:28 pm

hello,

I was just wondering what speeds aircrafts do wehn flying in for a landing....sounds wierd but hold on....for example when coming downwind on the approach leg ATC will tell the pilot to fly 180 knots....well when I am flying the only thing ATC tells me is what heading to go at...so my question is when an aircaft (commercial jet) is coming infor an approach what speeds will he go...for example...at 10,000 feet be at 250 knots....210 knots at what part of the flight?...180 knots at what part of the flight?...170 knots at what part of the flight...and 160 knots at what part of the flight...?

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Re: A speed question...

Postby OTTOL » Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:04 pm

A lot of it depends on the airspace and the airplane that you are flying.
I'll start with airspace; I know from experience, that when I fly into the New York metro area, to fly at 250kts(after I've descended through 10,000 ft)until the approach controller advises me otherwise. Usually by the time I have been vectored onto final, I've ALREADY been slowed to 170kts or less, by the controller, because I and am behind a daisychain of aircraft that are heading for the same airport.
Aircraft; on a rare occasion New York has a slow day and I can keep 250 all the way to the airport. I usually start slowing at 10miles, so that I can be established(gear down, flaps approach)by the time the glideslope has centered. This would STILL be considered on the "tight" side as far as speed goes and 12-15miles might be a more reasonable distance(depending on which aircraft you are flying).
Another factor is the direction you are flying. Smart Captains used to tell me "there's no use speeding away from the airport!"  What they were saying was; if you are on the downwind leg and have passed the airport, you should probably slow down. Why go fast and burn extra gas when you are heading away from the airport?
A good rule of thumb is to have the aircraft at or below flaps(1) speed(the speed at which you can add the first increment of flaps), when you are on final less than 15miles from the airport or have passed abeam the airport on the downwind.
.....so I loaded up the plane and moved to Middle-EEEE..........OIL..that is......
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Re: A speed question...

Postby OTTOL » Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:08 pm

......on a rare occasion New York has a slow day and I can keep 250 all the way to the airport. I usually start slowing at 10miles.......

This would only apply to Class B airspace(for those who follow the rules   ::)  8)  :-X ), otherwise, legally, you would have to be at 200kts or less within 10miles of the airport.
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Re: A speed question...

Postby Nexus » Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:11 pm

It depends. ATC will usually kindly ask you to maintain a selected airspeed until establised on the loc.
If NOT...well Imagine you're flying the PMDG 737 (which you are
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Re: A speed question...

Postby Nexus » Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:15 pm

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This would only apply to Class B airspace(for those who follow the rules
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Re: A speed question...

Postby jrpilot » Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:45 pm

So what you are saying is that ATC will direct you to a speed...or you should be a good speed and like nexus said I am flying the PMDG 737..let me show you some pics. ....I beleave these aircraft are being told by ATC what speed to be flying...

this pilot is being told to fly 220 knots correct by ATC?
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/294126/L/
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Re: A speed question...

Postby OTTOL » Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:58 am

What if you're not BENEATH (ie "under the floor") class B airspace, does the 200kias rule still apply
what if you're in Class C or D airspace?(smaller airports)............. was the point that I was making ;)
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I can find ya plenty of examples of hotshot
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