Sporty 4-doors

[chornedsnorkack]

Which sports cars have a comfortable back seat?

Mercedes CLS-500 is a "4 door coupe", 491 cm long and 139 cm high. The engine is a V8, displacing 5,5 l, with 382 horsepower.

A Porsche Panamera Turbo is 497 cm long, and 142 cm high. The engine is 4,8 l V8, with 500 horses.

Is the back seat of a Mercedes CLS comfortable in legroom and headroom? And does it have a view ahead, or only to the back of driver seat? Does the back seat feel like real 5-seater, or like 2+2?

A Cadillac Sixteen has a V16 engine, with 13,6 l displacement, producing 1000 horsepower. The car is 567 cm long, but just 139 cm high, like CLS-class. And has 4 doors.

A Bugatti Bordeaux also has a 16 cylinder engine producing 1000 horse power. It is the same engine as Bugatti Veyron, in W arrangement and displacing 8,0 l.

How long and how high is a Bugatti Bordeaux?

Would you rather be driven in the back seat of a Cadillac Sixteen, or of a Bugatti Bordeaux?

[Craig.]

None of those.
I'd have an m5 and be the one driving it.

[ShaneG_old]

Just my opinions here:

Aside from the conundrum that Porsche has laid upon us, and anything ever made by BMW, if it has 4 doors, it should NOT include the word 'sport' in it's description.

Fast, quick, agile, yes.
If you want a sports car, get a sports car, not a pretender.
4-door sports cars are for people who own Hummers, but never take them off road.

Other than NASCAR, Rally, and demolition derbys, I don't recall any 4 doors being used for sport in the manner that the manufactures imply.  (it would be neat to be wrong.)


To answer your question using the choices provided: Never will I be chauffeured as long as I can still drive. And I'll take the Caddy. That way if I crash it, the world didn't loose anything valuable.  ;D

[gtirob01]

[quote]
Just my opinions here:

Aside from the conundrum that Porsche has laid upon us, and anything ever made by BMW, if it has 4 doors, it should NOT include the word 'sport' in it's description.

Fast, quick, agile, yes.
If you want a sports car, get a sports car, not a pretender.
4-door sports cars are for people who own Hummers, but never take them off road.

Other than NASCAR, Rally, and demolition derbys, I don't recall any 4 doors being used for sport in the manner that the manufactures imply.

[ShaneG_old]

Hate to say it Shane, but you are forgetting many race series that do have 4 door cars in them. The DTM races use 4 door cars such as the Audi A4, and the Merc C Class.

Since I don't get that here, I was unaware they ran 4-doors, most of my news of that series comes from Road & Track magazine once a month, weird that they would run 4 doors being Germans, I've always associated them with Automobile perfection, and a four door doesn't seem like the perfect solution to autosports domination.

Theres also the Austrailian V8 supercar series with the Ford Falcon, and Holden Commodore.

For some reason, I was under (no pun intended) the impression, that they had & raced 2 door versions of these cars. :-?

[Craig.]

DTM is ok, never have been a fan of the aussie v8's.
But I love the btcc, it gets a lot of stick for not being what it used to be, but I can honestly say on an average race weekend, you get more excitement and overtaking out of those than any of the other major circuit series. More importantly the mix of cars make it interesting as it always has. The big long wheel base vectra's, great in the longer faster corners, but then you have the small nippy civics and seat's great in the tight corners. And of course the beemers which this year seem to have the field matched and beaten, even in the wet.

[Bullseyee]

Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte

[expat]

None of those.
I'd have an m5 and be the one driving it.

No, I would be driving it. You would be in the boot having been hit over the head with the jacking handle

Matt

[chornedsnorkack]

Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte

Ah, that?

510 cm length. 144 cm high. 4,7 l V8, 440 horses.

Nowhere near the 1000 horsepower class of Sixteen and Bordeaux...

[expat]

Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte

Ah, that?

510 cm length. 144 cm high. 4,7 l V8, 440 horses.

Nowhere near the 1000 horsepower class of Sixteen and Bordeaux...

That is true, but with the Maserati Quatroporte you can drive it in a straight line AND in corners, where as an America 1000 horse leviathan can only be driven in a straight line. As we all know, American cars and corners is not something that goes in the same sentence Also between a Maserati or a Caddy, the Italian would win every time, style, history etc regardless of BHP...........Literally too because the Caddy probably weighs in at 20 tons needing the 1000 BHP to move it

Matt

[Craig.]

Get yourself a Maserati Quatroporte

Ah, that?

510 cm length. 144 cm high. 4,7 l V8, 440 horses.

Nowhere near the 1000 horsepower class of Sixteen and Bordeaux...

numbers dont mean much all the time

[Bullseyee]

When I look at a car, I look at its style, not so at numbers exept the engine
But, if you're so intrested in HP, go to the Ferrari test track and get a life-long pass to test the FXX ;P

E-

[chornedsnorkack]

Also between a Maserati or a Caddy, the Italian would win every time, style, history etc regardless of BHP...........Literally too because the Caddy probably weighs in at 20 tons needing the 1000 BHP to move it

Not quite

Cadillac Sixteen weighs 2,27 tons. Maserati Quattroporte weighs 1,86 tons.

For an unsporty 4-door with length similar to Cadillac Sixteen, consider Bentley Arnage RL. 564 cm long, 152 cm high. 450 horses... and weighs 2,65 t.

[expat]

Also between a Maserati or a Caddy, the Italian would win every time, style, history etc regardless of BHP...........Literally too because the Caddy probably weighs in at 20 tons needing the 1000 BHP to move it

Not quite

Cadillac Sixteen weighs 2,27 tons. Maserati Quattroporte weighs 1,86 tons.

For an unsporty 4-door with length similar to Cadillac Sixteen, consider Bentley Arnage RL. 564 cm long, 152 cm high. 450 horses... and weighs 2,65 t.

As already pointed out, numbers at the end of the day mean nothing. It is personal taste that wins and that taste for me must include style, history and prestige when considering a vehicle of the calibre we are talking about. Once in a blue moon along comes a pretender that can give one of the greats a real good run for their money, but only time will tell if they stay the course and become an accepted part of motor history or not. If I had the money to buy one of the cars we are talking about, the Caddy could have the first 10,000 BHP engine in it, but at the end of the day it is still a Caddy. OK I agree some people would by it because of the 10,000 BHP, but sorry, as a refined auto mobile it would be as subtle as a golf club over the head. And not only that but Simon Cowl would probably own one so there is a huge reason not to.

Matt

[chornedsnorkack]

At some point, everybody and their dog was planning sporty 4-doors.

Is Aston Martin Rapide still going forward?