Minimum cylinder displacement?

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Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby chornedsnorkack » Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:41 pm

Air and fuel molecules do not scale well with the size of engine. Which means that flames are stopped by things like fine metal meshes.

How small can piston displacement be so that the engine still works?

The stresses in moving parts depend on acceleration. Which means that if your individual pistons are smaller and have smaller stroke, you could run the engine at a faster rpm, and get more power out of a large number of smaller cylinders than you could have got from fewer and individually larger cylinders.
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby Ivan » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:47 pm

co2 powered engines can have 5mm stroke on a 11 gram total engine weight...
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby ShaneG_old » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:08 pm

http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/prod ... t_area=139

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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby Mushroom_Farmer » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:16 pm

[quote]http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/product.asp?content_area=6&sub_area=139&product_area=139

Mske sure to watch the video on this page! ;)

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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby TSC. » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:20 pm

[quote]http://www.fineartmodels.com/pages/product.asp?content_area=6&sub_area=139&product_area=139

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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby ShaneG_old » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:00 pm

I hope he did build the GT-40 he mentioned in that video. I first seen this in Road & Track magazine back in 2001, wonder if he ever sold it and for how much. :-/ Don't think I could ever part with a labor of love like this. 8-)
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby Brett_Henderson » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:39 pm

Cox made a  0.010  cubic inch engine..  I can't imagine one smaller than that..
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby expat » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:42 am

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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby chornedsnorkack » Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:48 am

Ferrari 12-cylinder engine with the same beautiful sound.  "


The original Ferrari V12-s are pretty small, too. 166 ccm cylinder displacement, under 2 l total. Which means that the cylinders are smaller than those of Citroen 2CV (2 cylinders at 187 ccm each, total 375 ccm).

How do Ferrari V12 engines perform compared to the more conventional, 4 and 6 cylinder engines of similar 2 l total displacement?
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby expat » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:05 pm

[quote][quote] Ferrari 12-cylinder engine with the same beautiful sound.
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby chornedsnorkack » Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:53 pm

Then have a look at kei cars. Since 1990, their power is limited at 64 horses, and they have an allowance of 660 ccm displacement (reciprocating ones - wankels have 440 ccm, I think), thus there is no point in producing an engine tuned for more power. But before 1990, there was no limit on power, and kei sports cars exist. The displacement limit was 550 ccm 1976-1990, and 360 ccm 1951-1976. The engines designed for 360 ccm kei cars include 2, 3 and 4 cylinder engines. The  4 cylinder ones have under 90 ccm per cylinder.
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby chornedsnorkack » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:14 pm

Or what about BRM V16?

16 cylinders. 1488 cubic cm displacement (93 cubic cm per piston). Over 600 horsepower!
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Re: Minimum cylinder displacement?

Postby chornedsnorkack » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:39 am

Honda certainly has long produced 4 stroke benzine engines with 25 ccm cylinders. GX25 for hand tools, and 50 ccm mopeds with 2 cylinder 4 stroke engines.
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