Hamilton loses Aussie 3rd place!

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The madness continues! Naughty McLaren!

Hamilton excluded from Aussie GP

Good job the results haven't been published yet by Rob.

[Craig.]

I do often wonder if these stewards are drunk the whole weekend.
"Oh we only just uncovered radio evidence to back up he was lying"
Funny that considering it was on youtube on bloody tuesday.
The funny thing is, if the diffuser row is now settled in the courts in favor of it being illegal it'll be Alonso who'll finish 1st with torro rosso 2 and 3. So the stewards are just changing a decision that'll likely be changed again next week.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... ision.aspx

the radio conversations.

[The Ruptured Duck]

New rule that will increase passing:  1st place will now be classified as last in the standings.  Sorry Brawn, congrats Force India

[C]

[quote]New rule that will increase passing:

[expat]

Can't have McLaren scoring before Ferrari can we

Matt

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My thoughts are that had it been Hamilton who had gone off and Trulli gone past then Hamilton would have been penalised for overtaking him legitimately to regain the place.

The other thing that that strikes me is that if a car leaves the track during a safety car period and retires/crashes ...... does everyone have to stop until the SC pulls off? Because in theory you would be overtaking.

In my mind Trulli had left the track and therefore wasn't in the race no matter if kept it going and pulled back on, otherwise you would have the situation described above.

[expat]

My thoughts are that had it been Hamilton who had gone off and Trulli gone past then Hamilton would have been penalised for overtaking him legitimately to regain the place.

The other thing that that strikes me is that if a car leaves the track during a safety car period and retires/crashes ...... does everyone have to stop until the SC pulls off? Because in theory you would be overtaking.

In my mind Trulli had left the track and therefore wasn't in the race no matter if kept it going and pulled back on, otherwise you would have the situation described above.

I think if you leave the track during a safety car period, then you should wait for the entire field to pass. Trulli must have had his thumb up his rear to crash out whist following the SC. Also how slow does the car in front have to go before it is deemed to be damaged/pulled over. The leader of the pack can back everyone up and play mind games, can cars further down the field not do it too.

Matt

[The Ruptured Duck]

My thoughts are that had it been Hamilton who had gone off and Trulli gone past then Hamilton would have been penalised for overtaking him legitimately to regain the place.

The other thing that that strikes me is that if a car leaves the track during a safety car period and retires/crashes ...... does everyone have to stop until the SC pulls off? Because in theory you would be overtaking.

In my mind Trulli had left the track and therefore wasn't in the race no matter if kept it going and pulled back on, otherwise you would have the situation described above.

I think if you leave the track during a safety car period, then you should wait for the entire field to pass. Trulli must have had his thumb up his rear to crash out whist following the SC. Also how slow does the car in front have to go before it is deemed to be damaged/pulled over. The leader of the pack can back everyone up and play mind games, can cars further down the field not do it too.

Matt

I agree with you here, a driver clumbsy enough to depart the track during a SC should go to the back of the field.  This would clear up any "catch 22" situations where a driver who passes another driver who drives off the track would fear the FIA's punishment for passing him, so he lets the other driver pass, but the other driver doesn't want to pass under the SC either so he slows down, but passes any way then gets penalised after the race.  Mclaren were paranoid trying to avoid being penalised by the stewards.  Maybe a rule that says that drivers shouldn't work it out on their own on the track and allow race control (if they are competent enough) sort out the order and tell the teams.  So if a driver goes off the track, other people can pass him, but that driver cannot pass anyone during the SC until race control allows them.  Drivers who slow to allow another driver by will be ordered not to unless someone speeds past them.

That was too confusing.  How about just get rid of the damn rule book alltogether along with KERS?

[Craig.]

The issue isn't whether Trulli had left the track and Lewis passed him. It was the fact that lewis had then asked the team what to do next and they told him to let him back through or not back through either way. And when Mclaren and Lewis went to the FIA after the race they had told the FIA that they didn't tell him to do anything when they had clearly done so. It's the fact that they gave false information to the FIA that done them in.
The FIA are still further investigating, and if they really wanted to they could throw the book at him and disqualify either Lewis or Mclaren from the rest of the season.
I dont see them doing that, and they shouldn't. But then when have they made a sensible decision.

[Craig.]

This was on Autosport forums, I think its brilliant.
Although to be fair you could replace Whitmarsh with Bernie or Max and it would work quite well.

[The Ruptured Duck]

I know it was because Hammy supposedly "misled" the fia, but it seems all of this could have been avoided.  Of course misled according to the fia could mean anything from lying to wearing purple sox on a Tuesday before the summer solstice while eating apple pie

[expat]

Wearing purple sox on a Tuesday before the summer solstice while eating apple pie

Unless it is Ferrari, in which case you would be promoted to pole position, given an extra point for turning up and everyone else would have to start form the pit lane

Matt

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In the words of a very famous comedic line,

He's not the messiah! He's a very naughty boy!

Non bene. I think Lewis may have learnt a lesson. There's a boundary to team loyalty, and he should've said no.

[The Ruptured Duck]

The madness continues.  As long as the fia is insane i wonder if an appeal could be made to penalise massa for running into Bourdais last year at Fuji?

[expat]

[quote]The madness continues.