The end of F1 as we know it?

[Craig.]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/6/7869.html
It would appear good old max has won his confidence vote.
Too bad there are so many backside kissing smaller members who get nice payoffs from the FIA.
Apparently the ADAC have decided to end their position within the FIA
so I believe we could soon see Mercedes and BMW dissapear with them,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67958

The American auto association is also considering withdrawing from the FIA.

No word on the other major european clubs, but I cant see them being to far behind the two above.
I think Max needs to realise its the big members who matter, and step down before he kills off world motorsport as we know it.

[expat]

Well, we will have to wait and see. Saying you will pull out (other than ADAC) and doing it are two very different things, especially when the concerned parties start to look at the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ it will cost them. Should be interesting to see who really jumps. Personally I think he is well past his sell by date, but then, with Jean Todt waiting in the wings, hard choice  :-/

Matt

[todayshorse]

Not really unexpected i suppose........

[The Ruptured Duck]

Time for IndyCar to shine

[todayshorse]

Time for IndyCar to shine

Im a big fan of indycar, but the 'sensation of open wheel racing of the modern era' that was the indy 500 (or whatever they kept saying on the 'commentary' that i watched online on indycar TV or somthing) didnt really stack up - what was it? 69 laps under caution???

It was quite dull, and it pains me to say it!!!

F1 has its off days though im well aware of that

[C]

As Eddie Jordan says, hopefully his ego has been suitably massaged by this vote from his mates, and he will resign quietly.

[expat]

As Eddie Jordan says, hopefully his ego has been suitably massaged by this vote from his mates, and he will resign quietly.

Bearing in mind the other parts of him that have been massaged in the resent past, lets hope so

Looks like BMW are staying and if they do, you can bet that Mercedes will too. Seems that jumping ship is not a popular option, too much to lose.

BMW

Matt

[The Ruptured Duck]

Time for IndyCar to shine

Im a big fan of indycar, but the 'sensation of open wheel racing of the modern era' that was the indy 500 (or whatever they kept saying on the 'commentary' that i watched online on indycar TV or somthing) didnt really stack up - what was it? 69 laps under caution???

It was quite dull, and it pains me to say it!!!

F1 has its off days though im well aware of that

Well yes at the moment IndyCar is not that great, but hopefully in the coming years it will be something great to watch.  And if all of our fears come true and F1 loses sponsors, manufactures, and eventually fans, then Indycar is in a good position to gain some popularity worldwide (just like the early 90's)

[Craig.]

A sudden mass exodous is almost impossible. I'm thinking long term, races being pulled by their home race clubs, teams switching to their own series and so on.

[MWISimmer]

.....Indycar is in a good position to gain some popularity worldwide (just like the early 90's)

That was due to a certain moustachioed Brummie  ;) (Red 5)  8-)

[todayshorse]

.....Indycar is in a good position to gain some popularity worldwide (just like the early 90's)

That was due to a certain moustachioed Brummie

[MWISimmer]

despite us here in the UK subjected to the first exposure of James Allen who presented 'Nigel Mansells Indycar 1993' at some late hour during the week if i recall...

I think it was presented by a bloke called Nicky Horn, a very bad old school radio DJ.. I may be wrong, did James Allen do the race commentary?

[todayshorse]

No. James Allen fronted the show, the commentary was provided by the US commentators at the time. Never heard of Nicky Horn!

*edit....it appears from ITV's website, the cock James Allen only did it in 1994!!

Well maybe this Nicky bloke did do it! i only recall the cock James Allen for some reason!

[Mushroom_Farmer]

Time for IndyCar to shine

Im a big fan of indycar, but the 'sensation of open wheel racing of the modern era' that was the indy 500 (or whatever they kept saying on the 'commentary' that i watched online on indycar TV or somthing) didnt really stack up - what was it? 69 laps under caution???

It was quite dull, and it pains me to say it!!!

F1 has its off days though im well aware of that

Well, when you have the choice of running one of two chassis and one of one engines you can't really excpect too much.
I yearn for Indy's heyday when it was more of a "run what you brung" event. At least back then most of the cars were built by the teams themselves, many in small garages, instead of a large factory. Back then the entry list was often in the high 90s and for a few teams teams Indy was the only race they ran. I'm thinking there were probably more cautions back then. but the audience was larger, go figure.
Until they go back to something resembling that it will only be the superteams that can afford it, resulting in a mostly set number of entries and a mostly boring race.

[expat]

.....Indycar is in a good position to gain some popularity worldwide (just like the early 90's)

That was due to a certain moustachioed Brummie  ;) (Red 5)  8-)

Oh yes! 1993 was a great year - how could the 'unwanted' Nigel Mansell suddenly end up in indycars and proceed to win, and win well, and win on ovals where many expected him to fail! Truly an outstanding season, despite us here in the UK subjected to the first exposure of James Allen who presented 'Nigel Mansells Indycar 1993' at some late hour during the week if i recall...

And win the championship - ironic after so many years of trying in F1 he wins it first time out in the PPG!

Second year wasnt so good though i guess!

I think I am correct in thinking Nigel Mansell is the only driver to be F1 world champion and Indy Car champion at the same time..........all be it for a month or so until the new seasons started again.

Matt