No more traction control

[expat]

Michael Schumacher will be testing for Ferrari due to his experience of driving non traction control in F1.  

Shumacher and TC

However, as stated in the article, "F1 begins a new era without traction control and other driver aids", does anyone know what the other banned "driver aids" are? Fingers crossed it is flappy paddle gearboxes, but I am not holding my breath on that one.

Matt

[eno]

Flappy paddle is here to stay ....... its safer.

I think quite a lot of the electronic driver aids are going..... not checked yet so can't say which ..... though one of our more enthusiastic F1 fans will probably be able to list the lot.  ;D

[expat]

Flappy paddle is here to stay ....... its safer.

No, it just makes it easier to drive. If the driver had to decide when he was going to change gear it would make overtaking (and that is why we watch) a thing of skill and judgment and not a computer controlled equation.


However, how long before the teams come up with something that beats TC. Rather than engaging when the wheels are about to spin or do spin what about limiting the RPM at a certain point in a gear because you know that the wheels will spin for example.  

Matt

[MWISimmer]

TC can kick in at low revs too, for instance when in a slide out of a corner and works under braking as well.

[C]

I reckon it'd be fun to issue all of the teams with a single chassis...


...a race with 22 identical Lotus 49s would seperate the men from the boys!

[Ashar]

I don't know jack about F1 cars, but nothing replaces the good old clutch for me

[expat]

I don't know jack about F1 cars, but nothing replaces the good old clutch for me

Now that is what is missing, three peddles and a gear stick. That would separate the Michael Schumacher's from the Taki Inoue's.

Matt

[C]

I don't know jack about F1 cars, but nothing replaces the good old clutch for me

Now that is what is missing, three peddles and a gear stick. That would separate the Michael Schumacher's from the Taki Inoue's.

Matt

They wouldn't be able to fit in three pedals and a gear stick nowadays...


...or a normal shaped driver...

[Craig.]

Smiling as I return to see this. Although what does that say of the current driver line up? We need a retired guy to test this as the others dont have the experience. I knew this would happen the second he drove the car at Fiorano.
As for clutches and gear boxes,it is a proven safety fact now that the paddles are safer in the current climate of motor racing. If the cars were slower then theres no reason why the old H pattern box couldn't be brought back.

I see michael back and racing within a season or two, he made the fatal mistake of driving the car again

The loss of traction control is nothing major, both ferrari and Renault will have to adjust their cars a little balance wise on braking because of how they used their TC systems, Mclaren are perhaps going to have the biggest challenge on acceleration because their car is more front biased in terms of weight.

[Craig.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzbsI-1-SY
I thought this video works wellb for the topic and subject. A v10 engined F1 car, lapping a track with a couple of slow tight corners and no traction control. I dont really see a big differance to what we have now, with the V8's it'll probably be even less. The only minor differances were the slightly slower imputs on the throttle and the upshifts out of the slow corners being rather quick to keep the rears from spinning between 1st and 3rd gear. No powerslides that I've heard some people talk of.

As a side note in response to ex-pats question, as far as I can tell the only other major change is the standard ECU (made by Mclaren I might note) the idea being people cant hide any sort of engine management systems that could replicate TC (we have Bennaton to thank for this one) and so the FIA can monitor all the teams with regards to Launch control and various other braking stability programs that might be hidden in there to aid with the loss of TC.

In the future I believe its been introduced or being introduced that cars will not be allowed any added winglets/bargeboards or additional aerodynamic devices on the cars (see Ferrari/toyota Wheel hubs)
The front and rear wings will be made thinner and I believe it was said flatter however they will be made wider,  the driver will be able to adjust the angle of the front wing upto 6 degrees from the cockpit, however only twice a lap (see standard ECU for how FIA will keep note) The rear wings width will decrease by 25cm down to 75 but will increase in height from 80 to 95cm
The rear diffuser will start from the rear axel instead of the current position of the front end of the rear wheels, but it can be raised to over 17cm's instead of the current 12.5cm.
I've just double checked this and these are the working groups proposals for 2009 which have in principle been accepted by the FIA. The result is 50% less downforce over the 2006 cars, and a 25% loss when following a car closely over the current 45% that is currently lost.

[MWISimmer]

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[Craig.]

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[Craig.]

Looks like Schumi was never away after the lunch break.

Top 11 (laatste update: 13:38)


Coureur Team Chassis Laptime Verschil Laps
1 Pedro de la Rosa McLaren MP4-22 1:23.119 26
2 Michael Schumacher Ferrari F2007 1:23.164 + 0.045 22
3 Heikki Kovalainen Renault R27 1:23.691 + 0.572 35
4 Gary Paffett McLaren MP4-22 1:23.791 + 0.672 17
5 Luca Badoer Ferrari F2007 1:23.879 + 0.760 36
6 Franck Montagny Toyota TF107 1:24.047 + 0.928 11
7 Sebastian Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso STR2 1:24.559 + 1.440 40
8 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber F1.07 1:24.621 + 1.502 29
9 Nico Rosberg Williams FW29 1:24.689 + 1.570 22
10 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing RB3 1:25.032 + 1.913 18
11 James Rossiter Super Aguri F1 SA07 1:25.182 + 2.063 24

The last two numbers are laps completed
Ferrari have a new steering wheel, gone are the big screen and two smaller screens below it, they've been replaced by two small data screens at the top and 3 new dials have appeared instead. It's apparently caused some problems this morning costing them track time.

[Craig.]

As if there were any doubt.

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[MWISimmer]

They can knock MS all they like, but no mistake, he's still got it