Don't look if you are sensitive!

[expat]

And a V12 has way more sex appeal than a turbo V6.

Tell that to the 47000cm

[Craig.]

from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard.

I thought you'd be asking for a steering wheel that actually allowed the car to turn. :-?

Well I thought steering in general would be covered by the suspension, but now you mention it

[Chris_F]

And a V12 has way more sex appeal than a turbo V6.

Tell that to the 47000cm

[ATI_7500]

Sounds like a blond bombshell to an engine man  8-)

Well, if you're into engines from the mechanic's side, this beast is gonna give you an erection every time you see it.

After you've heard a screaming V12 at the track (often under a scarlet red hood wearing a certain chrome prancing horse logo) you'll understand the appeal.

Heard it; never understood it.

Granted I'm sure there are plenty of Toyota Camrys with the much sexier V6 installed under their bread-and-butter hoods.

Right-e-o.

[BMan1113VR]

[quote][quote]The Saleen S7 is my favourite super car.

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

It kills most other supercars in nearly all aspects, and to top it off, it has a V8.

[Craig.]

on the plus side for the Enzo, it was never billed as being a luxury sports car, its a full on grab you by the balls hypercar for the track, but also for the road. Gets even less if you buy the MC12 from maserati. The faster even less luxurious sister of the Enzo. Thats what i like about Ferrari's hypercars, they did it with the F40 aswell, they make no secret of the fact its bare, your not buying it for the long haul cruises. Your buying it for the thrill of being as close to an F1 car as possible.
If you want luxury then as you said Bman thats where the saleen and the Ford GT come into it. Or go buy an SLR or carrera GT.

[Chris_F]

You're right, calling the S7 a kit car is too harsh.  But at $500k expectations should be high and I don't know how the sales figures look today but I'd bet the waiting list (if one could exist given Ferrari's elitist sales attitude towards the Enzo) would be longer for the Ferrari.  I too love the Saleen concept, saw them at the track and they sent chills down my spine.  But for $500k? I think I'd choose the Porsche, partly because I'm infatuated with the engine sound and partly because I suspect it will be worth more in 20 years time.  Saleen has a decent name, but it's too strongly allied with Mustangs which I fear will hurt the long term desireability of the S7.  Porsche, Ferrari, McLaren don't have a "stigma" of being associated with a lower teir product.

I've only seen racing versions of the S7 but my statement was made only on what I'd read in magazines and on the 'net: in other words of dubious accuracy.  If Saleen did produce a car worthy of consideration in that price range then good for them and too bad they aren't attracting the audience they deserve.  If I were in the market for a car which cost twice what I paid for my house I'd give it a test drive (wouldn't even bother entering a Ferrari dealership since they're such arrogant pricks about the Enzo and their other "special editions").  But I suspect I'd end up with the Porsche.

There's a suprising ammount of competition at the "cost no object" sports car level lately.  Bugatti hasn't even been mentioned yet (not a real fan myself).  

[Woodlouse2002]

I'm suprised you consider paying half a million for a Porsche. If I spent that much money I'd spend it on something much rarer, there are so many Porsches out there it's not even funny, and even if yours is a GT or something special, few people are going to know the difference from a standard Carrara.

As I said, when spending serious money on a car, I'd want to be sure few other people had one.


I suspect the reason Bugatti hasn't been mentioned is because it's in a class of it's own with the Veyron.

[Craig.]

I suspect the reason Bugatti hasn't been mentioned is because it's in a class of it's own with the Veyron.

Because aside from it costing what? nearly twice as much as an enzo, that thing aint really a car, its just well, its not right
The same can be said for the new koeniggseggggeeegg  minus the top gear wing which is actually faster than the veyron. I think you need to be certifiably insane to even think of driving those two cars.

[Chris_F]

I'm suprised you consider paying half a million for a Porsche. If I spent that much money I'd spend it on something much rarer, there are so many Porsches out there it's not even funny, and even if yours is a GT or something special, few people are going to know the difference from a standard Carrara.

As I said, when spending serious money on a car, I'd want to be sure few other people had one.

The only people who need to understand the difference between a Carrera GT and a 911 are the people who are looking to buy a used Carrera GT.  After all, you don't buy a half million dollar car without expecting, at some point, to sell it for more than a half a million.  (That afterall is the appeal of buing a desireable limited production run car like we're talking about).  Something like a GT will hold value BECAUE it's a Porsche.  There will always be a weatlhy Porschefile who wants to own the ggreatest car Porsche offered in model year XXXX.  I'm sure 959's still attract some high bids in the rare events they show up at auctions.  Ditto Ferrari.

But a Saleen?  The car will always have a buyer, but the brand just doesn't attract like "Porsche", "Ferrari", etc.

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote][quote]

The same can be said for the new koeniggseggggeeegg

[Chris_F]

"Faster" is relative when talking about this kind of car.  These are just numbers: top speed, 0-100mph, etc.  Most owners will never even experience these relms and few if any will do so regularly.  The thing that's interesting about the Bugatti is that it (reportedly) does its speed in relative safety and controlability.  I'm sure there are cars that will best its top speed (heck, the un-regulated, slightly modified (gearing) McLaren F1 did so 10 years before the Bugatti was born) but nothing today will achieve those speeds with the road manners of a Veyron.

Still, it's all largely an intelectual and marketing exercise.  The "fastest car" is a myth.  There are fast drivers.  There are cars that have the potential to go fast.  But there are no fast cars.  Mix a fast driver with a high potential car and you have a fast car.  Mix a mediocre driver with a high potential car and you have a very expensive slow car, and possibly a dangerous one (as the pictures that started this thread attest).

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]"Faster" is relative when talking about this kind of car.

[Arnimon]

1 Million Bucks for a Ferrari...i think there are other Cars that are more worth,but with less cost to get them.

[BMan1113VR]

I suspect the reason Bugatti hasn't been mentioned is because it's in a class of it's own with the Veyron.

Because aside from it costing what? nearly twice as much as an enzo, that thing aint really a car, its just well, its not right
The same can be said for the new koeniggseggggeeegg