Don't look if you are sensitive!

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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Craig. » Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:47 pm

ahh the xj220, beauty and the beast in one go. Still one of my all time favourate sports cars.
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Chris_F » Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:53 pm

I don't know if the XJ220 is the appropriate comparison to the Enzo, it wasn't at the top of the food chain in its day.  A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).  Frankly, despite being slower, I still have more appreciation for the McLaren F1.  But if I were to buy a super-duper car today it would have to be the Carrera GT.  Not a great looker, but it seems to me to be the most fun of the modern super-dupers.

Jaguar has a real history for beautiful cars though (pitty they haven't made a real sports car since the E-type).
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby expat » Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:06 pm

I don't think beauty was the intent...


Fair enough, but there can be beautiful and fast cars, too...



Anything with an Aston Martin badge......except that ugly 1970's pig, the Lagonda. That should never have seen daylight and should have been put down at birth.

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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:38 pm

I don't think beauty was the intent...


Fair enough, but there can be beautiful and fast cars, too...



Anything with an Aston Martin badge......except that ugly 1970's pig, the Lagonda. That should never have seen daylight and should have been put down at birth.

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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby RichieB16 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:50 pm

Who in the world will drive a car that only did 9 miles up to a speed of 200 miles an hour (320 Km/h) on a public road?

Its not that suprising...when someone gets a new performance car the first thing they want to do is open it up to see what it does.  Combine that with an inexperienced driver and it is very easy to understand how something like this car happen.  I have personally had the honor of driving a car in the 600hp range (I believe the Enzo's make about 650hp) and this same car made about 650ft/lbs of torque (compared to the Enzo's 485ft/lbs) and it is an amazing feeling.  If you are not prepaired for it and don't take it easy at first (...or are showing off) then bad things can happen very quickly.

I will never forget the first time I got behind the wheel of a car like that, it is something that words don't really describe but I completely understand how this could have happened...with one very minor mistake.
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby RichieB16 » Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:54 pm

Fair enough, but there can be beautiful and fast cars, too...

I agree, I have never cared for the look of the Enzo.  But, I believe one of these fits both catagories:

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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby DizZa » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:02 am

The Saleen S7 is my favourite super car.

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

It kills most other supercars in nearly all aspects, and to top it off, it has a V8.  ;D
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Craig. » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:27 am

from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard. :o ;D
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby ATI_7500 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:44 am

A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).


The better choice. A unique, lightweight Biturbo V6 rather than a clumsy, heavy V12.
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:46 am

from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard. :o ;D

I thought you'd be asking for a steering wheel that actually allowed the car to turn. :-?
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby DizZa » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:57 am

A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).


The better choice. A unique, lightweight Biturbo V6 rather than a clumsy, heavy V12.

Or a twin turbo V8?  ;D
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Chris_F » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:06 am

A beautiful car, but heavy, and not what it should have been (originally slated for a V12, it ended up with a turbo V6).


The better choice. A unique, lightweight Biturbo V6 rather than a clumsy, heavy V12.

A force fed V6 will never have the smooth, instantaneous feel of a V12.  V6's are inherently imbalanced (meaning they vibrate).  Turbos necessarily lag (modern ones are almost lag free but the XJ220 didn't use modern turbos).  Torque application in a turbo car is difficult due to lag, and all the more critical in a mid-engined beast.  You don't want a turbo kicking in as you're gingerly exiting a corner (unless you're last name is Piquet or Prost or Senna or something).  It's a design tradeoff between driveability, packaging, weight, and other factors.  But most importantly it (and all sports cars) are about passion.  And a V12 has way more sex appeal than a turbo V6.
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby Chris_F » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:11 am

[quote]The Saleen S7 is my favourite super car.

http://www.saleen.com/saleen_s7_main.htm

It kills most other supercars in nearly all aspects, and to top it off, it has a V8.
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby ATI_7500 » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:49 pm

And a V12 has way more sex appeal than a turbo V6.


Tell that to the 47000cm
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Re: Don't look if you are sensitive!

Postby expat » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:15 pm

from the saleen site
"while providing a distinctly American driving
experience for the fortunate few who will own one"

I'm sorry but in a car that goes 200mph+ the last thing I want is a distinct American driving experience.
I'd like something with a good suspension, brakes that actually stop the car in a reasonable distance, and a steering wheel thats not so light to turn that driving with the window down is a hazard. :o ;D



Jeremy Clarkson could not have put it better  ;D ;D ;D

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