A Sad day for PMDG

[JBaymore]

I do have morals but they don't involve me downloading the software and distributing it via filesharing or p2p, If i had the choice i would try my best to stop this.

I am not sure what you are actually trying to say there.  

The way you have said the above........ it APPEARS that you are saying that you don't condone theft.... BUT that you don't consider that downloading and "filesharing" of copyrighted material is theft.

Is that what you meant?  ???


best,

..................john

[Mynameisnemo]

BUT that you don't consider that downloading and "filesharing" of copyrighted material is theft.

what i meant is that That is theft i just didn't put it i know it is theft and that filesharing is theft.

Think its best i keep my  :-X and keep out of this while i'm unwell as it just makes me confused.

....... A very unwell Nemo .......

[JBaymore]

Nemo,

Thanks... that clears that up.  And take care of yourself.

best,

..................john

[Mynameisnemo]

thank you John.

Sorry if i offended anyone with the comments i made,

.......... Nemo ....... Docs don't know whats up with me .......

[Fly2e]

I would be confused myself if I was looking at Roller-girl while trying to type!  :o  ;)

Dave

[JBaymore]

Docs don't know whats up with me .......

Hey... hang in there!  Sometimes it takes a while... and when you're feeling crappy it seems like forever ....... but they seem to have a way of figuring stuff out.  

Remember to be communicating with them exactly what you are experiencing... even if it seems trivial or embarrasing.

Best of luck.  And stop staring at Rollergirl  ;D.


best,

....................john

[bschott]

Yes the crack was only released today, so thus meaning that PMDG had done a very secure job on the licence. However they still havent been able to get to the level of the Level D 767 that still remains un-hacked.

Untrue... LDS was out on torrents the same day it was released (I know as I help run a legal-only torrent site...where home artists can post their stuff. We police it so anything that is posted that is NOT made by that person, is removed)

Anyway, my take on it is, I only download to evaluate.  I am sorry but my thinking is why the hell am I going to pay someone $60 (I paid $20 for FS9!) based on just the pretty pictures the post on their site?

Let me have a trial/demo to try...let me kick the tires and see if it's something I want to buy.  Some add-on companys do this, and I will use the demos.

Some (like LDS) don't so I download their product and test it out.  If I like it, I buy it LEGALLY and delete the download...(and I send them a nice email letting them know they need demos of their craft).  If I DON'T like it, I delete the aircraft all together.

Only reason I download the craft is to try them out to see if I want them in my hanger.  Companies allow you to listen before you buy at most music stores; Movie makers give you previews of their movies to tease you into watch the full thing; Car lots let you test drive the vehical you want before buying; hell even grocery stores have taste test stands set up to let you test of the food before buying it; Microsoft allows you to demo their Office and windows products...

Certain add-on companies (and I use that term loosely) don't like the idea of people demoing their products...too bad.  Just because we won't blindly give you our money based on a few nice words and pretty pictures on your website, doesn't me that we are out to rob you.  It just means we are smart consumers...

Or at least that is just me.

BTW: I legally own all of my payware craft and only have a few freeware craft left in my hanger (they just seem so bare and.....childish..... after playing with the payware stuff)  As for the tracking software, well I run a very paranoid network where I have hardware firewalls, and a proxy server before anything hits the net...or access my machines.  I hard locked that reporting software from ever getting on the net.

[Wing Nut]

In other words, you steal the planes to test them out and then buy them?    Ok, I believe that...

You are still stealing, no matter how you try to rationalize it in your mind.

[JBaymore]

bschott,

I'm with Kevin on this one.... what you describe is stealing ... and you are just rationalizing the behavior.  And with your "lockdowns" and such... you obviously are approaching it "professionally".

When a company offers demos and taste tests and test drives they CHOOSE to do that.  They authorize you to try the product.  What you are describing is the equivalent of going onto the car lot and stealing the car... joyriding it... and then returning it to the lot.  

It is perfectly fine to not want to buy something that you can't test.  That is YOUR choice to make... and the company in question might lose out on you as a customer.  But they decided to take that risk.  That's why they don't offer a "try it" option.  You might not like it... but it is THEIR property and they can do whatever they want with it.

Don't like it... vote with your feet (and your money).  But you want your cake and eat it too.

Simply deciding that YOU don't like or agree with their policy so you will then do whatever you want to with their product is pretty selfish, inconsiderate, and self-centered.  Not to mention illegal.

Sorry... but it doesn't wash.

best,

..................john

[hatter]

Exactly. It is unreasonable to criticize payware developers simply because freeware developers exist. They are making their add-ons; they can decide whether it be freeware or payware, it is theirs.

Secondly, payware is usually of much higher quality than freeware. Just because ground beef costs 20 cents a pound doesn't mean you can expect filet mignon for the same price.

bschott:

It's pretty stupid to admit you're breaking the law. But, then again, this is the internet. I keep forgetting.

[-sam-]

I think we will never be able to stop those cracker.
No matter how hard the copyright protection is,
they will crack it.
I think there is one way how
you can at least really shock the people that are
downloading payware or any other copyright protected software. Make something like hidden traps. For example..
I work with the render software vray for 3dsmax.
Of course shortly after the release it could be found cracked
on the internet. But what the cracker did not know... just
removing the copyright protection wasn

[JBaymore]

Payware designer should release buggy versions and spread them over the net.
I could think of little inbuild features like... format c:
and so on

sam,

While piracy is deplorable... so would that be!  And just as illegal.

best,

...................john

[Fly2e]

Posted by: bschott
[quote]BTW: I legally own all of my payware craft and only have a few freeware craft left in my hanger (they just seem so bare and.....childish..... after playing with the payware stuff)

[Craig.]

Maybe this is a topic for the lock file. I can only see it going downhill from here

[Mehdi]

And anyway, is it a new day for when a new crack comes out for a payware product?

No, it isn't, so although there is some sort of deal associated with it, it's not a big one as we KNEW beforehand that a full product download would be landing in P2P programs. That dpesn't mean I support these downloads but instead it means I'm not surprised or angry or whatever.