PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Wing Nut » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:09 pm

Little upset there are we, Jeff?  ;D  Careful the kiddies aren't around...  ;)
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Stormtropper » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:14 pm

Sorry Kevin...but its things like these that upsets me the most...

...I'm half-willingly giving them money, and yet, they make me stand in line to pay them... ::)
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Felix/FFDS » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:16 pm

Sorry Kevin...but its things like these that upsets me the most...

...I'm half-willingly giving them money, and yet, they make me stand in line to pay them... ::)



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Act my age at least!  ...Well, Kevin's, anyhow ...
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Stormtropper » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:20 pm



JEFF!

Act my age at least!  ...Well, Kevin's, anyhow ...


Ahhh...I got Admins on my six! Can't shake 'em!
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Sry guys...I was quite upset at the moment...but I'll control myself now... :)
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Wing Nut » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:25 pm

You can mail the Six-pack to me by Friday...  ;)

BTW, my age probably isn't that much lower than yours, Felix...  ;D
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Felix/FFDS » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:48 pm

[quote]You can mail the Six-pack to me by Friday...
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby jrpilot » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:10 am

F'ing bullsh!t!...I have been very unhappy with PMDG so far (halfa'ed products that cost a fortune...captainsim makes 2x as good products for half the price!)...and now that I decide to give them a 2nd...er...acutally 4th chance...they tell me their bullsh!t server is offline...

...m'f'kers... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Hey what do you know its back up... :-*
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby BMan1113VR » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:47 am

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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby SaVas » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:02 pm


Hey what do you know its back up... :-*


Back down again lol approx 3 hours.

So those that are saying they wouldnt pay 55 for an addon plane, methinks that PMDG is raking it in already which Im happy for since they really do go above and beyond
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Craig. » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:07 pm

like i said, i cant justify it. I still dont see how they can, but clearly there are those who can. Waste of money in my opinion for that price. But i dont fly any one plane long enough for it to be worth it. Those who have bought it, i really do hope you enjoy it.
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby SaVas » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:13 pm

like i said, i cant justify it. I still dont see how they can, but clearly there are those who can. Waste of money in my opinion for that price. But i dont fly any one plane long enough for it to be worth it. Those who have bought it, i really do hope you enjoy it.


And I can understansd your l;ogic. For me its like people that spend money on sports memorabilia
. I could care less if some pseudo famous sports dude passed for more touchdowns and someone has a signed ball by him. To me its worth nada. To someone else it might be priceless
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Craig. » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:15 pm


And I can understansd your l;ogic. For me its like people that spend money on sports memorabilia
. I could care less if some pseudo famous sports dude passed for more touchdowns and someone has a signed ball by him. To me its worth nada. To someone else it might be priceless

Absolutely. I do love FS, i wouldn't be here if i didn't:) but i cant argue with your logic at all. And thats why i am being honest when i say i hope people who buy it enjoy it. No sarcasm meant what so ever ;D
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Silver1SWA » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:01 am

I am going to assume that the majority of the skeptics here have not completed the following:

1) Purchased another PMDG aircraft, especially the 737.

AND

2) Taken the time to learn it inside out.

Because, if you have completed the above, you would know that a PMDG product is a simulation all in itself!!  They have managed to simulate real-life airliners about as realistically as possible with todays PC technology.  It's not joke...after learning the 737s by PMDG and flying them almost daily in my flight sim, I am confident to say, if I was given the chance to fly a real 737, or more practically a full-motion 737 simulator (I have visited them, played in them, but have not yet had the chance to fly a 737 simulator), I would be able to operate it from start-up to shut-down and get from say SJC to SAN.  It is THAT real!  I have talked to many Southwest Airlines pilots, played around in real 737 cockpits, shown a pilot that I can program a real FMC by actually doing so, had the opportunity to jump seat on a ferry flight giving me a chance to see it all in action before my eyes and I can tell you, I sure as hell know my way around that cockpit and know exactly what the pilot is doing during the flight...all because I have tinkered with a $50 add-on.  That is damn impressive in my opinion.  PMDG got my $55 today, and they damn well deserve it.  I have taken her for one spin, and I absolutely love it.  FS2004 is not the same without PMDG products.  I don't do much else with the sim.  If I'm playing FS2004, I am using a PMDG aircraft.  Therefore to me, PMDG is the name of this sim.
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby Marauder1024 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:42 am

Here is my beef with PMDG.

Let me start out by saying I am a big fan of their 737 simulation, have been anxiously awaiting the 747 and did purchase it last night and have been duly impressed by the consistant quality in their products.

However....

I hate the new activation they have introduced into their 747. It's part of the continuing trend of treat their customers like criminals and consider them guilty of copyright infringment until proven innocent. What happens when I go and reinstall? I know the website says....

The installer will recognize that it may be necessary to occasionally reinstall your airplane and based upon your personal installation history will reauthorize occasional installations without intervention from PMDG Support.

In the event that you are not authorized as a result of installation activity, you will need to contact PMDG support with your name and ORDER ID. PMDG Support will review your installation history and manually authorize your installation.


But, what constitutes "occasionally" reinstalling? How does it determine what is "occasional"? I am preparing to build a new 64-bit desktop and of course would hope to be able to migrate my flight simming to that system. If I reinstall in a month when I build my new system, would that be too frequent and I get denied? Will that then flag me and say "this guy installs to many times and blacklist him", simply because I frequently change my configurations, reinstall, etc.?

What happens if it's 9:00 PM at night, and I need to reinstall and it says I have to call, will customer service be available 24 hours? What if that's the only time I can call?

What happens if PMDG decides to close it's doors for whatever reason? I better not have to ever reinstall again because if they're not around they can no longer authorize the reinstallation I'm out of luck if I ever need to reinstall. While I'm sure no one here would like to think of such a thing, with a company as small as PMDG, even though they have products of an extremely high quality, it's very possible.

What if the main system I want to run this on is NOT on the network. I know it may be hard for some people to grasp, but many people intentionally have systems that are not connected to the Internet for security reasons.

What if I am going on a trip (as I am preparing to do within the next few weeks) and want to transfer it to my laptop for the duration of the trip so that I can learn the systems before moving back to my main simulation desktop when I return home?

And on top of it all, I am getting sick and tired of companies treating me like a criminal simply because I want to run their software and don't want to have to ask permission. At time of transaction, it is treated like a sale and then AFTER the fact, they stick an EULA in our face telling us it's really only a license. Why do I have to ask permission to use something I PAID for, and supposedly "purchased"? Microsoft, Adobe, Macromedia, now PMDG all seem to be taking the stance that their customers are guilty (of violating copyright) until they are proven innocent. When in a court of law, it would be THEIR job to prove the customer is guilty instead of the customer proving their innocence.

Sorry for the rant but I am getting tired of companies always being suspicious of their customers.

That said, yes, I shelled out my $55 and enjoy the simulation from a technical standpoint, but if the activation/authorization/authentication foolishness continues, I will think twice about PMDG's next "must-have" roduct (such as if they decide to come out with a 787, A380, etc. which I otherwise would be interested in). I almost did not purchase the 747 because of it.
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Re: PMDG 747 RELEASED!!!

Postby ctjoyce » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:06 am

I agree fully. Microsoft, Adobe, Macromedia I can understand, as those are multi billion dollar corporations protecting their product, however I find it kind of crap that a small hundred thousand (if that) dollar company decides that they need to put some huge process into obtaining a licence for their product.

  The other thing that they should think about is ITS AN ADDON FOR A GAME!! Mabe If PMDG was creating the game "747-400 Queen of the Skies" I could see the whole massive sigh over the copy right, but an addon (and an expensive one at that) I dont find justifyable.

  What they should have done it the way that Flight 1 does it where you get a E-Reciept and you put that into the installer, along with the last four digits of the creadit card that you purchased the aircraft with and if it matches the reciept you get shot right to the installer no questions asked.


And just a side note (im going to get riped to shreads for this by Stephen but) I cant wate to see how long it takes the pyrates to crack this bird and distribute her over P2Ps. Hell they said that the Level D 767 was uncrackable, and someone did it, so lets just watch and wate.

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