Eurowings Version 2??

[Gary R.]

Anyone have it?  It looks like a very nice selection of smaller airliners.  I read good reviews on the first version for FS2002.  I read because the cockpits are a well done 2D that they are very frame easy and have enough immersive system complexity but not somuch that hours in the manuel are required to even get off the ground.  Any thoughts on this package?  Worth $39.99 for 4 realistic commuter liners?

[Nexus]

I like their BAe-146's...but they "suffer" from the same traits as the CRJ 200, not complex enough and gets very monotone to fly after a few flights.

The ATR42/72...well buy flight 1's ATR instead...

I believe there's an airbus included, but PSS are still the airbus kings (but SSW will release their A320 soon)  :)

[jrpilot]

[quote] (but SSW will release their A320 soon)

[Nexus]

I just hopes it will fly..the A310 is the most buggy aircraft I have, if you don't treat her right, she will kindly throw you out of the game and you need to start all over again  ::)

Flew LPPT - EGLL 2 days ago with the A310 and I had 2 FMC crashes, but managed to stay in the game. That extra stress that comes with the A310 isn't really healthy  8)

[Gary R.]

Thats why I love my DC9 IK for short haul airline flying.  I have it equipped with the double configuration CIVA INS.  And you know,maybe DC9s wern't normally fitted with INS systems but if you don't have a regular FMC it works just as well.  In fact, if flying with one under ifr what good is it when atc is vectoring you everywhere but your exact flight plan?  It's too much hassle to open up the right fmc pages to enter in flight plan or course changes.  With INS, that isn't as much of an issue, just take it off hold and navigate using heading hold knob when atc throws a vector at you.  When they resume your flight plan, check where the next waypoint is in your plan if necessary and advance the waypoint selector on the INS and press hold and your right back to nav hold.

[Nexus]

[quote]Thats why I love my DC9 IK for short haul airline flying.

[Gary R.]

I just re-visited this thread Nexus and you spoke of the Litton 92 as being a more capable INS than the Delco.  Wat is the principle difference between the Litton and the Delco???  Does the Litton deviate less?  Does it do away with DME updating??

[Nexus]

For starters, the Delco Carousel, used mechanical gyros, whereas the LTN-92 had state of the art ring laser gyros. The ring laser gyros consume less power, generate less heat and also decrease alignment time. That combined with  accelerometer improvements resulted in significant decrease in weight, size and cost and of course, increase in reliability. Simply put; inertial accuracy is a direct function of technology, The more sensitive accelerometers, the more stable the gyros, and the more sophisticated the torquing software and hardware...the more accurate the system  :)

Visually, the most noticable aspect of the LTN-92 vs the Delco unit, is the mode selector panel, which is not a two window data display, but a CRT capable of displaying several lines of data at once, in an FMC style of flipping through various pages  :)

[Gary R.]

Wow, sounds like a cool unit to have short of a full fmc.  I think that Gianfranco Coralas and team ought to model it now that they seem to have the Delco perfected.

[Nexus]

Yeah it's really advanced, and it's basicly no need to make it more accurate because the drifting is minimal, it meets the RNP 10 criterias (total system error below 10nm during 95% of the flight time)

[Gary R.]

Well, I've been to the CIVA forum tonight and asked/suggested of the authors there to consider modeling the Litton 92 as a follow up since they have the Delco Carousel perfected to a legendary standard of authenticity.  Call me old fashioned but even though I enjoy mastering the modern equipment just as current real world pilots do I get just as much satisfaction working with planes that need to be (flown) rather than flying themselves after instructing them how.  A 707 or a 727 guided by INS is a challenge especially when using a very authentic gauge like CIVA.  No moving maps, no VNAV, no auto-throttle.  Just stick, rudder, a little math, and a little luck.

[Nexus]

I hear you, but problem is with old planes, to really fly them like they did back in the days, you cannot be alone. It's simply to overwhelming of a task to fly a 707 on your own, and using the same techniques and flows as real crews. INS is very simple, if you understand its principles, if you dont then you're up for the flight of your life  :D

I really look forward to networking gauges where it's possible to fly in a multi-crew environment  :)
Until then I stick to more modern aircrafts, which are easier to handle alone

[Gary R.]

You are very correct about the difficulty of realistic single crew on an old plane indeed.  When I fly the RFP 742 I have to wear 3 different hats at certain phases of the flight, the trickiest being flight engineer. I have put it on pause already at times I was too long for comfort staring at the engineer panel trying to set things the way they had to be according to the manuel.  Especially during approach phase.  I hope time will come when these older planes have interactive AI crew members. Even better if they don't cost frame rates, lol.  I remember FSHotseat.  Never did more than a flight out of Meigs with the demo mode in the Baron it was set up with.  The AI copilot even tells lousy jokes.  Its a wonder that other developers haven't created similar interactive add-ons or even stand alone planes with AI crew members.  Must be a monstrous task to code things like that.