IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

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IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby hooterg » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:27 am

Checkrides in FS2K2 are notoriously buggy but I made it through the PPL.  Maybe I'm not understanding the examiners instructions for the Instrument Rating ride.  If anyone has been through this, how about some help.

I'm making the VOR approach to KSEA 34R without any problem and fly the published missed approach, again without difficulty.  Now comes the problem.  I think the examiner wants me to climb 3000 after passing PARKK and then left turn to hdg 160, intercept the 140 radial on SEA VOR and fly a one-minute hold on the VOR.  When I pass SEA VOR (inbound on the 140), I make a standard right turn intending to do a one minute outbound leg on hdg 320.  That's where the flight stops and tells me I have to do it again.

I don't think this is because I've flown it improperly.

Any help?

Thanks,

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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby PH_AJH » Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:45 pm

Ok, I've been there too.
Here's the solution (taken from an article I found on the net, don't know where but kept it):

9. After you pass the NDB you get the instruction to fly a holding on the SEA VOR radial 140. Turn to 160 degrees as you've been told in the most recent instruction, and then intercept the 140 degrees radial.

10. Be careful: Radial 140 means a heading of 320 degrees and NOT the heading of 140 degrees we are currently flying! We have to enter the holding pattern by "parallel entry". Follow the heading of 140 degrees for a minute (watch the clock). Then turn left. The heading to intercept the opposite radial (R140 - 320 degrees) should be 270-280 degrees. Then follow the heading of 320 degrees to the VOR.


This should get you through. Think you make the same mistake as I did....

Good luck
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(I won't  give you the rest of the text unless you ask me. That would take the challenge away I guess ;D)
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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby hooterg » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:40 am

AJ,

Thanks for the help.  I was actually trying to fly a holding pattern on the 320 radial.  Once I crossed the VOR and made a parallel entry onto the 140 hold, I passed without any trouble.

Too soon old, too late smart.

By the way, if you can find the link to the article you cited, why not post it?

Thanks again.

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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby PH_AJH » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:19 pm

Yep, the same mistake as I made  :D.
Glad it helped you out.
About the link: as I said, i saved the document but forgot where I found it (it's an age thing my wife tells me).
If you want links just typ "FS2002" plus  "check rides" or "checkrides" in Google and you'll find quite a lot of them.
Other than that, I don't want to spoil somebody else's fun by giving the clues away. That's why I only included the bit you were having trouble with.

Cheers
AJ
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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby hiflyphil » Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:17 pm

Hi

I got to this stage some months back.  Flying the holding pattern at the Sea VOR was no problem.

When the instructor told me to head for the NOLLA LOM in preperation for the ILS landing thats where she kept bailed out on me, eventually I gave up.

Like to know how you managed that.

Cheers
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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby PH_AJH » Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:40 pm

ok
here's the complete text

1. The examiner tells you to tune the Seattle VOR (116.80) in NAV1. Do it, and tune a course of 338 degrees in the OBS.
2. When the examiner turns off the autopilot, we have already overshot the 338 radial a bit. Turn to 320 degrees in order to intercept the radial again.
3. You have to perform the VOR approach to Seattle-Tacoma runway 34R as described in the chart (KSEA-VOR.gif) - NOT 16L as told in the briefing. Hold your altitude of 5000 feet until you pass the FACTS intersection (17 NM distance to the VOR). You may not go below the minimum altitude at a VOR approach!
4. As soon as you pass the FACTS intersection, decrease throttle and descend to 3000 feet. You have to hold this altitude until your DME distance is 11 NM.
5. When you reach the DME distance of 11 NM, descend further to 1600 feet. Slow down and extend the flaps step by step - as you would if you'd plan to land in Seattle.
6. It's best to tune your ADF to the PARKK NDB already: the frequency is 281. It is also good to raise your seat one or two notches by pressing SHIFT-ENTER in order to see the runway better.
7. After passing the DME distance of 4.3 NM, continue your descent slowly, but do not go below the decision altitude of 840 feet. If the runway comes into sight, approach it visually as you would do for landing. Now the examiner tells you to go around and execute the missed approach procedure.

8. Give full throttle, retract the flaps step by step and climb to 3000 feet. Keep the ADF needle centered to pass the NDB directly.
9. After you pass the NDB you get the instruction to fly a holding on the SEA VOR radial 140. Turn to 160 degrees as you've been told in the most recent instruction, and then intercept the 140 degrees radial.

10. Be careful: Radial 140 means a heading of 320 degrees and NOT the heading of 140 degrees we are currently flying! We have to enter the holding pattern by "parallel entry". Follow the heading of 140 degrees for a minute (watch the clock). Then turn left. The heading to intercept the opposite radial (R140 - 320 degrees) should be 270-280 degrees. Then follow the heading of 320 degrees to the VOR.
11. You don't have to fly a complete holding pattern, as soon as you pass the VOR the examiner instructs you to process to the ILS approach to Boeing Field runway 13R after passing the VOR. Overfly the VOR and correct your heading to 325 degrees as described in the chart (KBFI-ILS.gif).
12. At the ILS approach you're on your own, there are no instructions by the examiner anymore. Tune the ILS frequency for runway 13R into NAV1: 110.90. Set the ADF on 362, the frequency of the NOLLA NDB. If you follow the heading of 325 degrees you should pass the NDB directly, otherwise correct your heading to pass the NDB.
13. The localizer needle should center exactly when passing the NDB. Turn slightly left and follow the opposite ILS course (310 degrees). Be careful: You keep the needle centered if you perform all corrections the opposite way as you would do when flying a normal ILS approach (if the needle goes to the left, then steer to the right and opposite). Descend to 2200 feet.
14. If you are established on the opposite ILS course and have reached 2200 feet, enter the procedure turn. Turn to 265 degrees and hold this heading for a minute. Then turn right to the opposite heading of 85 degrees. When the localizer needle centers, turn to the final heading of 130 degrees and keep the needle in the center.
15. Slow down and extend the flaps one notch.
16. Now perform a normal ILS approach. Keep both needles centered as well as you can. Extend the flaps fully step by step and slow down further. The descent rate at 70 knots should be about 400 fpm.
17. When the runway comes into sight (at an altitude of about 700 feet) approach it visually. Land, brake and stop.


Good luck
AJ
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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby hooterg » Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:14 am

Just a little adder.  The ILS approach KBFI allows a decent to 2200 feet before you get to the NOLLA NDB.  If you do that, it makes for less work once you get there and turn outbound.
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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby alansheppard » Fri Oct 03, 2003 2:53 pm

Very detailed checkride guides have been written by Matthias Holzer and can be downloaded from
http//members.chello.at/matthias.holzer/checkride.html
There are links from this page to all of the checkrides.
Matthias' email is holzer@chello.at
Also, have a look at www.microsoft.com/games/fs2000/articles_checkride.asp

Best of luck,

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Re: IR CHECKRIDE (FRUSTRATED IN SEATTLE)

Postby nbasson » Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:39 am

Thanks a lot!, Were having the same problem with my instrument check ride, will see if I can pass it now!!
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