Landing attitude

[gjans]

Hi there,

I usually fly the Learjet, and I have a question about the landing... When I am lined up with the runway, in final approach, trying to keep the speed down to 140 IAS, flaps at 20, and descending at 800 fpm , the nose of the plane goes up, so that I often lose the runway out of sight. I know I can use SHIFT+ENTER to adjust the view, but is that how it  happens in real life ? Should the pitch angle be kept to the minimum and how would I do this ?

Jeff

[Scottler]

I've found that when I land, my attitude is generally happy that nothing has gone wrong thus far, and anxious to get the hardest part of the flight over with successfully.  

[OTTOL]

Unfortunately it's just another one of the quirks on FS. To answer your question: NO this is not the way it appears in real life! :-/  I noticed this effect on many of the aircraft on FS. What I have gotten in the habit of doing, is to raise the seat up two notches, and then right before touchdown, toggle the view to the side(with a sidewinder joystick). This will return the view to the default setting, or else you'll be looking straight down at the runway centerline, when the nose wheel touches down. Also, make sure you use full flaps during landing, not 20degrees.

[Hypnoticzero]

ive had that same problem a couple nights ago flew from Klax to Ksac and it was night cmae off auto pilot... was controlling but the nost kept going up and i ended up wrecking  >:(. but ne i found out it was the trim i had the flight director on and i was going down and the trim of the flight director had a diffrent thought so the trim was set way off making my nose raise super high....

[Liam]

If your going to be doing an Autopilot landing then there is no need to look anyway... Just hope.

[Scottler]

Yeah, but why would I do that?  To me, it's like watching someone else play the game.  After a while, I get bored and go find something fun to do.

[Birdie2112]

yea...but autopilot is a great way to collect aircash for long flights on esky


then again...server errors work very well to!  ;D

[Scottler]

But you're not flying on eSky, are you Stever?  lol

[RollerBall]

Some of this is down to approach speed. If you slow too much, the M$ flight model makes the nose rise in order to generate more lift to the point where the aircraft will eventually stall. Increase speed and the nose will lower giving a better view.

But for some reason many designers seem to think this is how heavies especially really land. Can you imagine a 747 approaching a field like O'hare with 500 people on board and the pilot can't see the runway. Stoopid.

I correct many FDEs by increasing the flap lift. This means that in order to stay on glidepath the model has to lower it's nose otherwise it climbs. Result, a better view. But the other side is that nose down increases speed - so you often as well get a slower, more realistic approach speed. If it goes too far though then you often have to make other FDE changes to get the speed back up again while retaining the improved pitch attitude.

Hope this is useful info

BTW you don't do 140kts with 20deg flap in a Learjet. You'd need full flap and in any case you ALWAYS land with full flap in a heavy or a jet like the Lear

[Nexus]

BTW you don't do 140kts with 20deg flap in a Learjet. You'd need full flap and in any case you ALWAYS land with full flap in a heavy or a jet like the Lear

That is not correct for the 737, for example, where most pilots tend to land with FLAP 30, instead of 40 (The v-ref speed is just some 3-4kts higher, so it's not a big deal)

[Scottler]

That is not correct for the 737

Which is neither heavy, nor a Lear.

[Nexus]

Which is neither heavy, nor a Lear.

Same thing applies for a 747, Hyperion....

[Scottler]

I know, just making a point.  

[Nexus]

Both FLAP 30 and 40 ends up in the "final approach speed" in the the resp. aircrafts landing flap speed schedules.

FLAP 40 is mostly used on short runways
and in case of emergencies.

[RollerBall]

Yeah OK guys - very esoteric discussion.

We're not talking fine points here - trying to help someone overcome a fundamenal problem