VOR2 ( yeah, now its 2) and spoilers

[Lethal.Ambition]

hey guys, Wazzup?

I was just curious this week and came upon the question: "Why have i never used the VOR2? What is it for?" Can you asnwer these questions for me please?..........also the spoliers, the FS help says that they are little tabs that come out of the wings to prevet lift and reduce speed.......i'm like "I know that!" but what i don't know is how to turn it on. I try the key / cause i a friend told me that is how it was but the tabs don't come out and i've noticed that the speed doesn't reduces either. With Num Lock on and off.

Thanks (<~~take it as a front payment )

[Squeek]

yea i use the VOR2 to help me find a intersection or to point me in the dirrection of my next VOR (incase i am out of range. (a few places i know where this will happen) i fly outbound one 1 till i find the other. also i would set one to say alb then one to the utica vor (cant remember what it is) then fly the ALB untill i get utica then switch the one i was useing to say syacuse... i think that FStipster gives a good explanation of spoilers so i wont get into them

[Brett_Henderson]

My favorite use of VOR2 (or any VOR) is to find "imaginary" way points or even an "imaginary" outer-marker for some remote grass strip.

Pick a remote strip and find a spot on the chart about 5 miles away (on a line from/to runway heading of course).

Then find a VOR (DME equiped) within range.. draw a line from the VOR to your imaginary outer-marker,,  note the "exact radial and distance"....

Then when you're lost in the soup,, set your VOR to that radial,, fly to and intersect it,,, start flying to or away (depending on the DME reading) until you reach the "known" distance of your imaginary outer-marker,,,turn runway heading and start your decent,, (not quite ILS but it works in a pinch)  

[Lethal.Ambition]

OK thanks guys but.........( there's always a but)

I was confused at first, i've never used the OuterMarker thing, which, if i read it right, once i pick it up i know to start my descent, i thought that is what the ILS intrument thingy is for..........ok so if i got everyone's explanation correct.......

Supposed i need to land on a strip that i perfectly know is 5 miles from my desired runway. The runway has no ILS ( i suppose we are not using the GPS) .........i am lost now, I lost the whole concept of the VOR2. I might use to well, i know that i have to head to 030 when i get to PHK then i will set the radial to 030 on my VOR 2 and when i see the DME tell me i am over the VOR and i see the "flag" on the OFF signal i turn the heading of my VOR2 right? Well that part i get and i might use it for that but i am not sure what you guys are saying about intersections. I am going to check the Outermarker beacon thing right now because i have a flight pending for tomorrow

Please help me, thanks

 

[Lethal.Ambition]

It is hopeless for me  :'(

I turned the VOR2 just a little bit a few minutes before i intercepted the KFLL VOR then i start turning to where the needle was. I turned around for about 5 times and yet the VOR2 told me to keep turning, did it want me to stall, i start doing it aircraft fighter style and yet nothing, i stopped when i stalled, it is hopeless

[Missouri_Sky]

I'm trying to find an answer about why VOR#2 and DME won't work in some aircraft - using the same panel??

I'm an older pilot not used to fancy things like GPS, etc.

I still fly the old VOR stations.

[codered]

If you have a vor in the area of the airport you are going into,  figure out the heading from that vor to the airport you are going to.  Track this heading until you get to the airport.  This may not line you up on the runway, but atleast you will be in the general area to set up for your approach.  Unless you are IFR and have ATC guiding you to the runway, there is no precision way of getting yourself directly lined up for the runway.  
Just know the airport you going into (runways, elevation, etc).   Having two vors is the best way to use nav 1 and 2.

[Brett_Henderson]

I'm trying to find an answer about why VOR#2 and DME won't work in some aircraft - using the same panel??

Hey Missouri_Sky,,  That's a common problem in 3rd partry aircraft.  You have to add or change the [Radios] paragraph in the aircraft.cfg file.

I don't have FS running on this computer, and the sight is too slow right now to search,  or I'd paste a copy of the [Radios] paragraph here.

You've all seen this before....

[Missouri_Sky]

Yeah!  That worked to some extent.  

I had to change the [Radios] format somewhat, or copy from another aircraft, but that tells me what to tinker with.

Herm

[Lethal.Ambition]

Hey guys i really appreciate all the help i am getting with this.

OK, so the airport is in the 330 radial from a VOR, that which i tune in the radio as Nav1.....how would a second VOR help..........urgh i've flown some many times and i feel stupid not knowing this yet........Nav2 is for VOR2 right?

[Lethal.Ambition]

3:20 A.M., the latest i've been able to saty up is 1:30 or so. OK so i got 2 questions for you......

why don't i tune VOR1 to 360 instead of 300? And.......
Once i turn to 360 my VOR2 will point to 60 ( obviously right?)

[Brett_Henderson]

Excellent post Tipster,, now if either one of those VOR's is DME equiped and you know the exact distance,, it further aids the accuracy...

There are so many ways to use radio navigation. The only thing missing is dual ADF ability (not that there are that many NDB's close enough together  to use it much).

With a little planning you can find your way out of any weather,, Radio navigation is by far my favorite aspect of FS2002...

Now,, everyone ,, leave those GPS's   ....  OFF    ;)

[Brett_Henderson]

why don't i tune VOR1 to 360 instead of 300? And.......
Once i turn to 360 my VOR2 will point to 60 ( obviously right?)

I think we need to get on the same page here. Let's leave RMI's out of it (the gauge that is slaved to NAV2 in some planes and usually also has an ADF (solid needle) in it).. and stick with regular VOR gauges ("wiper" needles with the adjustable OBS (outer ring used to tune the radial).

Or maybe i'm confused,, it's late here too.
It sounds like you may be using an RMI. The VOR needle (skeletonized) acts like an ADF and just "points" to the station,, it doesn't allow for radial selection.

[Lethal.Ambition]

I must the biggest duphus right now............i get this:

There are 2 VORs, it can help me find the airport.......

But what i don't get is HOW?

For that i get, from the drawing: There are 2 VOR's and i will fly towards one, what i don't know is when i am supposed to turn and forget about the first one..........if i turn the dial to point to the second VOR all the time then how do i know when to make the turn since it is always going to be pointing me to the VOR, i am sure it just doesn't appears out of nowhere

[Brett_Henderson]

OK,, lets start over..

Since you seem really interested in learning this, I admire your enthusiasm.

First we assume you know how to fly "to" and then track a radial  (if not, email me and we'll hook up on MSMessenger or AIM and go over that part).

While on a radial you will have the other VOR tuned to the station of,, and the OBS set for,, the radial that crosses the radial you are tracking (your turning point).

When the other VOR's needle starts to center, you'll be nearing the intersection. When it is dead center,, you are right at the intersection.

That intersection can be anything you like...  from an imaginary outer-marker, to way-point, to an airport itself.

Anyplace where two (in range) VOR radials meet (which is just about anywhere) can be located and flown to, over or even around. Throw in an NDB (ADF) and you'll never get lost  ;D