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BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby H » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:34 am

...where were your whereabouts at the time of this occurance?
It also seems we may need pity the poor French gents:

The train was packed and a U.S. Marine walked the entire length of the train looking for a seat. The only possibility was the seat upon which a well-dressed, middle-aged, French woman's poodle sat. The war-weary Marine asked, "Ma'am, may I have that seat?"
The French woman just sniffed and said to no one in particular, "Americans are so rude. My little Fifi is using that seat."
Again the Marine walked the entire train but the only seat left was the one under that dog."Please, ma'am. May I sit down? I'm very tired."
She snorted, "Not only are you Americans rude, you are also arrogant!"
After one more search, the Marine didn't say a word; he just picked up the little dog, tossed it out the train window, and sat down.
The woman shrieked, "Someone must defend my honor! Put this American in his place!"
A nearby English gentleman quickly spoke up, "Sir, you Americans seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You hold the fork in the wrong hand, you drive your vehicles on the wrong side of the road and, now, Sir, you seem to have thrown the wrong bitch out the window!"



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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby BuggsK100RS » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:51 am

LOL ;D ;D
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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby Romulus111VADT » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:00 am

Wasn't me, I wasn't a Marine and I would have toss the dog the first go around and probably the woman as well. Never was very diplomatic in certain situations.... ;)

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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby Fozzer » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:25 am

Wasn't me, I wasn't a Marine and I would have toss the dog the first go around and probably the woman as well. Never was very diplomatic in certain situations.... ;)

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..there you go...

A rare American Soldier who hasn't got a shaven, polished head made of reinforced concrete, and constantly utters the obligatory words; "Yessir!", at every opportunity.... :o...!

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P.S. Why do American Military personnel casually salute their foreheads, even when they are NOT wearing their Caps, etc, (displaying the badge of their Regiment)... :o...!

That is not allowed in Britain.

The Salute (with the fingers) must always be aimed at the badge on the Cap...!

The British Military person should always replace their cap BEFORE saluting!

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Postby a1 » Sun Aug 03, 2008 10:56 am

;D ;D ;D
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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby H » Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:53 pm

P.S. Why do American Military personnel casually salute their foreheads, even when they are NOT wearing their Caps, etc, (displaying the badge of their Regiment)...
That is not allowed in Britain. The Salute (with the fingers) must always be aimed at the badge on the Cap...! The British Military person should always replace their cap BEFORE saluting!
Our dress caps have badges but utility caps (Air Force = fatigue caps) often don't. It is expected of an NCO, or lower rank, to salute an officer upon meeting, inside or out; it is also expected to remove one's cap when inside (but still salute). Also, the practice of saluting originates from medieval times when knights would mutually raise their visors to identify each other; U.S. military are thus supposed to salute from the right edge of the visor (brim), from the corner of the right eyebrow when no cap is worn.
Unless fingers are actually missing, the full, straight hand should be used (lest an officer suspects you're disguising the wrong finger salute, perhaps).



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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby Romulus111VADT » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:07 pm

Yep and if you give an officer a "Benny".
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You get a free trip to the brig last I knew. I don't think officer's were fans of Benny Hill.

I started my "Proper Dirty Old Man" lessons watching reruns. Benny, he's my hero....lmao

I'm mean, "How to be an old lecher with class.".... ;)

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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby BigTruck » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:58 pm

P.S. Why do American Military personnel casually salute their foreheads, even when they are NOT wearing their Caps, etc, (displaying the badge of their Regiment)...
That is not allowed in Britain. The Salute (with the fingers) must always be aimed at the badge on the Cap...! The British Military person should always replace their cap BEFORE saluting!
Our dress caps have badges but utility caps (Air Force = fatigue caps) often don't. It is expected of an NCO, or lower rank, to salute an officer upon meeting, inside or out; it is also expected to remove one's cap when inside (but still salute). Also, the practice of saluting originates from medieval times when knights would mutually raise their visors to identify each other; U.S. military are thus supposed to salute from the right edge of the visor (brim), from the corner of the right eyebrow when no cap is worn.
Unless fingers are actually missing, the full, straight hand should be used (lest an officer suspects you're disguising the wrong finger salute, perhaps).



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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby Hagar » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:44 pm

P.S. Why do American Military personnel casually salute their foreheads, even when they are NOT wearing their Caps, etc, (displaying the badge of their Regiment)...
That is not allowed in Britain. The Salute (with the fingers) must always be aimed at the badge on the Cap...! The British Military person should always replace their cap BEFORE saluting!
Our dress caps have badges but utility caps (Air Force = fatigue caps) often don't. It is expected of an NCO, or lower rank, to salute an officer upon meeting, inside or out; it is also expected to remove one's cap when inside (but still salute). Also, the practice of saluting originates from medieval times when knights would mutually raise their visors to identify each other; U.S. military are thus supposed to salute from the right edge of the visor (brim), from the corner of the right eyebrow when no cap is worn.
Unless fingers are actually missing, the full, straight hand should be used (lest an officer suspects you're disguising the wrong finger salute, perhaps).



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First off, I LOVE THAT STORY  ;D  ;D  Thanks for posting that!

In the Marine Corps, we do NOT salute without a cap on our heads and we do not salute indoors  (even though you will see it all the friggin time in hollywood movies)  The only time we salute indoors is if we are under arms (then we would be wearing our cap anyway to show we are armed)

Interesting. I didn't know that about the regimental cap badge or the US Marines. I'm not sure about the Royal Navy but British Army & RAF personnel salute both indoors & outdoors. They should not salute (on pain of death) if not wearing a cap or other uniform headgear. For example; junior personnel summoned to an officer's desk would wear their caps & salute the officer. The salute would not be returned if the officer was not wearing a hat.

As H said, we use the salute as a sign of respect towards officers, it comes from the days of castles and knights, when two knights passed each other on a trail each would lift the facemask of their armor up in a show of respect, hence the salute.   8-)

There are several theories on the origin of the military salute. I copied this from the RAF website. http://www.raf.mod.uk/links/faqs.cfm

"The custom of saluting commissioned officers relates wholly to the commission given by Her Majesty the Queen to that officer, not the person. Therefore, when a subordinate airman salutes an officer, he is indirectly acknowledging Her Majesty as Head of State. A salute returned by the officer is on behalf of the Queen.

As with many things in military history, the origin of the custom of saluting is a little obscure. In a book called 'Military Customs', Major TJ Edwards suggests that 'saluting and the paying of compliments may be said to proceed from the exercise of good manners'. Indeed, if you take the word saluting literally, it is merely the offering of a salutation or greeting, which in the military must be reciprocated.

A more romantic theory dates from medieval times which suggests that victors at the many tournaments of the day shielded their eyes with their hands when receiving their prize from the Queen, rather than be dazzled by her beauty. This is very unlikely, but far more chivalrous. A far more plausible tale relates that the military salute is merely a form of offering an open hand as a token of respect and friendship in much the same way as a handshake does. Knights in the Middle Ages greeted each other by raising the visor of their armour, an action not unlike a military salute.

During the 17th Century, military records detail that the 'formal act of saluting was to be by removal of headdress' For some time after, hat raising became an accepted form of the military salute, but in the 18th Century the Coldstream Guards amended this procedure. They were instructed to 'clap their hands to their hats and bow as they pass by'. This was quickly adopted by other Regiments as wear and tear on the hats by constant removal and replacing was a matter of great concern. By the early 19th Century, the salute had evolved further with the open hand, palm to the front, and this has remained the case since then.

The RAF salute is essentially the same as that of the Army. When RAF personnel hand salute they display an open hand, positioned such that the finger tips almost, but not quite, touch the hat band. The Naval salute differs in that the palm of the hand faces down towards the shoulder. This dates back to the days of sailing ships, when tar and pitch were used to seal the timber from seawater. To protect their hands, officer wore white gloves and it was considered most undignified to present a dirty palm in the salute so the hand was turned through 90 degrees."


PS. The US services salute is thought to be based on the one used by the Royal Navy.
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Postby Fozzer » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:03 pm

..I find nothing more annoying than to see Military personnel, in Hollywood Films, saluting each other when bare-headed, ie; not wearing their Caps, etc.... >:(...!

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Postby BigTruck » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:32 pm

..I find nothing more annoying than to see Military personnel, in Hollywood Films, saluting each other when bare-headed, ie; not wearing their Caps, etc.... >:(...!

Paul.... ;)...!




I hear ya Paul!!  That and listening to officers call each other by their first names!!  No military bearing whatsoever!! >:(
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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby BigTruck » Sun Aug 03, 2008 4:34 pm

P.S. Why do American Military personnel casually salute their foreheads, even when they are NOT wearing their Caps, etc, (displaying the badge of their Regiment)...
That is not allowed in Britain. The Salute (with the fingers) must always be aimed at the badge on the Cap...! The British Military person should always replace their cap BEFORE saluting!
Our dress caps have badges but utility caps (Air Force = fatigue caps) often don't. It is expected of an NCO, or lower rank, to salute an officer upon meeting, inside or out; it is also expected to remove one's cap when inside (but still salute). Also, the practice of saluting originates from medieval times when knights would mutually raise their visors to identify each other; U.S. military are thus supposed to salute from the right edge of the visor (brim), from the corner of the right eyebrow when no cap is worn.
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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby Mazza » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:51 am

LMAO i was not expecting ;D ;D ;D ;D the end
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Re: BigTruck, Romulus...

Postby H » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:03 am

PS. The US services salute is thought to be based on the one used by the Royal Navy.
This is acknowledged as so in the USAF except that it is modified to at a downward slant rather than any decisive angle.

[quote]...all I know is that they teach Marines in Boot Camp that the salute is brought to us by the medieval times.
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Postby BigTruck » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:49 am

PS. The US services salute is thought to be based on the one used by the Royal Navy.
This is acknowledged as so in the USAF except that it is modified to at a downward slant rather than any decisive angle.

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