Do you

[H]

remember this?

Well, the new proclamation is to have people staring back at the Earth and Moon by 2030....
By Phobos and Deimos, we're being m(ar)ooned!


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[ShaneG_old]

I'd do it, if the circumstances were right.

If I knew that every possible bit of effort and consideration were put into the planning of such an ambitious project, then I would be damn proud to be such a pioneer.

Even if things went bad, I can think of worse things to die of, or go down in history as. 

[B-Valvs]

To be honest, it isn't a bad idea and this type of thing has many historical precidents. However, I think we tend to look upon space travel differently and I don't think the public is used to it enough for an idea like this to pass now (especially taking politically correctness and all that junk into consideration).

8-)

[Sir_Crashalot]

Don't want to be the partykiller here but can someone explain to me why it is so damn important to go to a planet where there is nothing to do and to see but rocks? Why spend multiple billions on a project that will not gain any profit (ever) and will only provide us with some knowledge (of rocks). Better spend that money here on earth to make things better or to find new resources. Scientists don't even know half of what's living in the oceans, there are parts of the rainforests that have never been seen before. Go there, maybe they will find a cure for some terrible disease. They won't find it on Mars. You're sick? Here take this rock and lick it three times a day.

Don't get me wrong, space exploration is important. We need to know what's out there and what we can do in zero gravity. But come on, you can look into space with very large telescopes, further that any man will ever go. You can do research on how things work in space in ISS, you don't need to go that far away.

Just sending people to Mars to show that you can? Waste of time and money. Rant over.

Carlo (has boldly gone...)

[Hagar]

Don't want to be the partykiller here but can someone explain to me why it is so damn important to go to a planet where there is nothing to do and to see but rocks? Why spend multiple billions on a project that will not gain any profit (ever) and will only provide us with some knowledge (of rocks). Better spend that money here on earth to make things better or to find new resources. Scientists don't even know half of what's living in the oceans, there are parts of the rainforests that have never been seen before. Go there, maybe they will find a cure for some terrible disease. They won't find it on Mars. You're sick? Here take this rock and lick it three times a day.

Don't get me wrong, space exploration is important. We need to know what's out there and what we can do in zero gravity. But come on, you can look into space with very large telescopes, further that any man will ever go. You can do research on how things work in space in ISS, you don't need to go that far away.

Just sending people to Mars to show that you can? Waste of time and money. Rant over.

Carlo (has boldly gone...)

Well said Carlo. I couldn't have put it better myself. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[Pablo]

Don't want to be the partykiller here but can someone explain to me why it is so damn important to go to a planet where there is nothing to do and to see but rocks? Why spend multiple billions on a project that will not gain any profit (ever) and will only provide us with some knowledge (of rocks). Better spend that money here on earth to make things better or to find new resources. Scientists don't even know half of what's living in the oceans, there are parts of the rainforests that have never been seen before. Go there, maybe they will find a cure for some terrible disease. They won't find it on Mars. You're sick? Here take this rock and lick it three times a day.

Don't get me wrong, space exploration is important. We need to know what's out there and what we can do in zero gravity. But come on, you can look into space with very large telescopes, further that any man will ever go. You can do research on how things work in space in ISS, you don't need to go that far away.

Just sending people to Mars to show that you can? Waste of time and money. Rant over.

Carlo (has boldly gone...)

I'll give that a 10/10, any day of the week, Carlo.

[ShaneG_old]

I can't help but imagining, that someone said much the same thing when Columbus wanted to travel West across the Atlantic.

[Pablo]

Quote:
.....I see the whole concept of going to another planet,
much the same way that settlers in the US must have viewed traveling West into the wild unknown in search of a new life....
End Quote.

Difference is...
They were still in the same atmospheric conditions that they were born in, and all their forebears before them, on Planet Earth....

I don't think there's a Walmart on Planet Zorg, in the constellation of Megamatorus, for me to top-up with my daily fruit and veg and best Steak, fresh air, and my Chicken Curry on a Friday night, after a visit to the Pub with my Mates would be sorely missed....

I often think about this; "Space Stuff", after a few pints of Best Bitter...and "out there", I would get rather worried when my tummy grumbles, and says; "feed me...NOW"... >:(...!
Steak and Chips in the Sun (Pub?), is far preferable to another desperate gasp of Oxygen from that bottle on my back...and that bloody helmet on my head is getting really annoying..and as for these Lead Boots to keep me anchored to the ground!!.. >:(..!

Sausage and Mash for dins today..and a nice gravy!... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]...!

Planet Earth is nice!

... ;D... ;D... ;D...!

..you wont get this on Planet Zorg, (or on the way there!)...>>>

[Sir_Crashalot]

Shane I agree with you that greed is blocking a lot of developments here on this tiny blue planet. I don't know how NASA (and organisations like them) are funded but I think it's taxmoney. Shouldn't taxmoney in one way or another come back to the people who paid for that? In the form of new and better roads, a cleaner climate, free healthcare and tons of other things? Governments spending billions on things that no one can ever use (like going to Mars and don't get me started on military systems) are kind of stupid. Mildly put. It's time for a change and it's about time people start to realize that. Then maybe we don't need to seek refuge on other planets. Which will eventually be for the very rich only because I can't even afford a return ticket to Italy with Ryanair...

Carlo

[ShaneG_old]

Carlo, we are on the exact same line of thinking how things should be. 

It's a shame that the people who have all of the money & power don't think the same way.

This project is also not a NASA deal, and the people who proposed it say it would only be feasible with non-government run investors.
There would be entirely too much red tape for government involvement. That's also why NASA's balls have been cut off in just about every area imaginable. If the ISS weren't an international project, you can be sure we'd have brought it down by now, or maybe not have even sent it up there.

[Sir_Crashalot]

Carlo, we are on the exact same line of thinking how things should be

Great minds think alike.

If the corporate world (the people with power and money) are willing to take huge risks in investments like this, they must know something we don't...

Carlo (conspiracy mode on)

[H]

I see I finally got some of the input I was looking for with the former post. As to NASA, it is basically tax-funded but has had other input.

What I also see is some differences of long occurance. There are those who have a venturesome spirit, even with intended defiance of personal danger (in the deepest mode, thrill seekers). There are those contented to remain in the realm of familiarity. Some of each might deny those associations but the response belies it.

As to the food choices mentioned: the idea would be to make an environment that one could live in. That would mean some work, even creating a soil base for growing plants which would benefit the atmosphere as well as enhance the food supply. We are sometimes limited in realizing the toil of our ancestors in preparation for what we now have.

8-)

[Pablo]

The difference, as I see it, Planet Earth was already in a state to encourage the birth of Plants, Birds, and Animals, etc...

...but it took Millions of years to create the precise conditions that they could comfortably exist in.

A visit by an Earthling(s) to another barren Planet, and the whole process could take another Million, or so Years, to get where we are now...
...and we still wouldn't have any "Air"....or "Water".... ...!

Far too much digging and planting, for too long, for me... ...!

......off to Walmart for a sack of Spuds, and a Leg of Lamb... ...!

[Sir_Crashalot]

There are those who have a venturesome spirit, even with intended defiance of personal danger (in the deepest mode, thrill seekers). There are those contented to remain in the realm of familiarity. Some of each might deny those associations but the response belies it.

Problem is that I am a thrillseeker. Yet I'm very happy at Terra Firma and have no need to go beyond our own atmosphere. Plenty of places on Earth that I've never visited and probably never will.

Carlo ('cause this is thrilleeeer, thrillernight... Oh shut up!)

[H]

There are those who have a venturesome spirit, even with intended defiance of personal danger (in the deepest mode, thrill seekers). There are those contented to remain in the realm of familiarity. Some of each might deny those associations but the response belies it.

Problem is that I am a thrillseeker. Yet I'm very happy at Terra Firma and have no need to go beyond our own atmosphere. Plenty of places on Earth that I've never visited and probably never will.

This asserts the association of the venturesome spirit in meld with the mundane. The Earth-bound venturism reveals the (perhaps, subconscious) forethought that, once the climax of this venture is reached, I want to be where I'm more apt to engage in another. A venture into the unknown realm, versus the unknown of the realm, doesn't promise the more immediate climax expected of the latter, let alone the opportunity for future 'chosen' ventures.


sorry... computers going off

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