Money

[ShaneG_old]

I hadn't thought of it in that way yet. Excellent point. 

So the real challenge would be to figure out how to maintain personal liberty and freedoms, while still serving the good of the human race as a whole.

[Jeff.Guo]

Going beyond those things requires long-term, abstract thought.. and that requires language (ever notice how you think in words ?)

I actually wrote a paper arguing why that cannot possibly be the case

[Brett_Henderson]

Going beyond those things requires long-term, abstract thought.. and that requires language (ever notice how you think in words ?)

I actually wrote a paper arguing why that cannot possibly be the case

[Ang2dogs]

Sometimes I wonder who the genius was that said;
Hey, I'll give you this shiny yellow rock for that piece of meat you got!

[machineman9]

I find the idea of humans collecting numbers (money) a bit odd. For what is essentially a piece of paper, you can get a meal, fuel, pay tax, etc.

Could we survive without money? In a way, yes. We'd have to find something else to trade though, so isn't that just the same thing? Money is only money because we call it such. A loaf of bread for all we know could be used in a 'money shortage' to act as a new

[Fozzer]

"Can I purchase that Steinway Grand Piano over there, with this loaf of Bread....Please?"

Paul.... ...!

[ShaneG_old]

It all seems to come back to the need to get something in return for doing or providing something.

I guess there really is no 'free lunch'. 

[machineman9]

"Can I purchase that Steinway Grand Piano over there, with this loaf of Bread....Please?"

Paul.... ...!

If you think about it, it really isn't that far fetched. Some parts of the world used shaped bits of rock as money. A loaf of bread, just like the rock/metal/paper of the world's money is just an object that has been given value.

[Brett_Henderson]

[quote]I find the idea of humans collecting numbers (money) a bit odd. For what is essentially a piece of paper, you can get a meal, fuel, pay tax, etc.

Could we survive without money? In a way, yes. We'd have to find something else to trade though, so isn't that just the same thing? Money is only money because we call it such. A loaf of bread for all we know could be used in a 'money shortage' to act as a new

[Steve M]

Every time we write a personal cheque we are giving an object value. Looking at the prison systems, consumable comodities have buying power or trade values. And consumable comodities such as bread, eventually gets eaten, now we need bread to by more bread.
Rock,metal, and paper must have came into being for that reason. Rocks work fine, untill pockets were invented so I would suppose that is how paper money became the standard.

I see people every day that live on no income, but they wouldnt survive long without feeding on the scraps of the people with money. I still say a society cannot exsist without a form of trade.

[Jeff.Guo]

[quote]What is it that is conveyed during that game ? Aside from the fact that the gestures are language-based.. the gestures themselves are a language, that has to be agreed upon before hand.. and THAT requires language

[ShaneG_old]

I presented a heavy hitting argument for why conceptual ideas and logical entailment (the corner stones of thought) absolutely must exist prior to language, so conceivable without language.

That may be the deepest intellectual idea I've ever pondered.

Thoughts, without a language to express them, for others to understand.

[Jeff.Guo]

[quote]Thoughts, without a language to express them, for others to understand.

[Sir_Crashalot]

It would be possible. As long as the whole world agrees on it. That would mean you have to go to work every morning without pay. You don't need to be paid because everything would be free. The house you live in was free, so is gas and electric. Food is free in the supermarket, so is that Maybach you drive. Ofcourse your free house is bigger than that of Bill Gates because he bought it in the old days when they still had money. In the backyard there is your private landingstrip with a 737 on it which was free. Doesn't matter if you crash it, Boeing has plenty of them. For free.

Snap. Oh buggar, I just woke up. What a dream....

Carlo

[Brett_Henderson]

[quote]Thoughts, without a language to express them, for others to understand.