Batteries, chargers and inverters...

[Brett_Henderson]

You're trying to prove the existance of the devine, or equivelent, as my batteries have 'magically' recharged on the floor.

You've lost me completely there

[H]

-- you're trying to have the devices consume power sourced from where there is none while ignore the inherent power on the recieving end -- it's definitely not infinite but my batteries aren't dead, the intent being to prolong that event as long as possible. You're trying to prove the existance of the devine, or equivelent, as my batteries have by having my batteries 'magically' recharged on the floor.

You've lost me completely there

[Hagar]

This discussion is verging on the surreal. LOL

I think eno had the best idea. Build one for yourself & try it. You need a list of components so it's a fair test.

[Brett_Henderson]

I can heal and recover, because I can bring power into the system (eat). I'm not a closed system.

You can go back and forth, taking little "bites" of enrgy from each battery, and those bites are spent on whatever it is that we're powering. There aint no getting them back. And if you try to replace energy in one battery.. there's only one place for it to come from.. the other battery... and that's a losing proposition

Seriously.. this has been fun, but I can't think of any other way to tell you, that you're talking about defying the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

If the system you describe had even a fantasy of a chance of working.. there'd be countless of them running.. and you'd be able to find documented examples of it, and manufactured units made from inverters/chargers that were optimized for it would be readily available.

[H]

I can heal and recover, because I can bring power into the system (eat). I'm not a closed system.

In that respect, neither are the batteries; if they couldn't "eat" from an outside source, they'd lose their recovery properties even faster. Like you, they'd start out healing quickly until, like an unfed you, that healing ability fails.

...you're talking about defying the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

If utilizing them is defying them. However, this system eventually succumbs, so I wouldn't consider it a successful defiance... maybe a delayed defeat.

If the system you describe had even a fantasy of a chance of working.. there'd be countless of them running.. and you'd be able to find documented examples of it, and manufactured units made from inverters/chargers that were optimized for it would be readily available.

[color=#003300]Yeah... Galileo thinks it possible to build an actual flying machine -- can you believe that? Like we wouldn't already have them all over the ancient world if it were possible!
Practicality, resources, need, production...

[Brett_Henderson]

Yeah.. right.. we're the first two to ever have have this discussion. All the people smarter than us, have never tried something along these lines.. or the few that have, their system and laboratory-quality, component budget was no match for garden variety inverters/charges

[H]

(actually, I've drug this thread out for three pages, keeping you distracted so I can get the patent application on flie)

I wasn't distracted... that was expected.

8-)

[HarvesteR]

err, isn't it a fundamental law of physics that energy cannot be created from nowhere?

if you have a predefined amount of energy in a closed system, you can't squeeze more out of it, no matter what you do with it...

assuming the power draw will never change, the battery cannot last longer, no matter what...  It's the same as discussing the feasability of a perpetual motion machine... it doesn't work because it's against the laws of physics

Cheers

[H]

...energy cannot be created from nowhere?

Then, how did you get here, Big Bang creation? The whole point of the matter is that nothing is being created out of nothing -- apart from the moot theory that nothing is something, we're talking about what's already there.
More than once I've had my battery go dead in a vehicle, no more than able to engage the solenoid. I let it sit for half an hour or so -- no charger and the only load was the radio clock. I turned the key and it started the vehicle. Was that from nothing?

8-)

[HarvesteR]

...energy cannot be created from nowhere?

Then, how did you get here, Big Bang creation? The whole point of the matter is that nothing is being created out of nothing -- apart from the moot theory that nothing is something, we're talking about what's already there.
More than once I've had my battery go dead in a vehicle, no more than able to engage the solenoid. I let it sit for half an hour or so -- no charger and the only load was the radio clock. I turned the key and it started the vehicle. Was that from nothing?

8-)

No actually, with chemical batteries, what happens is when you let it sit for a while it will continue to react a little, and give off a bit more energy... but this energy was already there... it's just that it depleted it's output before the the actual reactants were fully neutralized... if you try this method over and over, you will see that the battery yields each time less and less of this 'extra' power (the days of the old GameBoy were real good proof of this  )

and about the big bang thing, well that's a whole other discussion, but my personal theory is that for each amount of matter/energy in the universe, there is an equal amount of anti-matter/energy somewhere else, so the whole balance still adds up to zero... but then again... it's a whole other discussion

[H]

No actually, with chemical batteries, what happens is when you let it sit for a while it will continue to react a little, and give off a bit more energy... but this energy was already there... it's just that it depleted it's output before the the actual reactants were fully neutralized... if you try this method over and over, you will see that the battery yields each time less and less of this 'extra' power.

I've said this more than once, including in what you just responded to.

...about the big bang thing, well that's a whole other discussion, but my personal theory is that for each amount of matter/energy in the universe, there is an equal amount of anti-matter/energy somewhere else, so the whole balance still adds up to zero...

Which doesn't negate that there should have been/be nothing... nada... and unnecessary for anything to 'add up' to nothing.

8-)