Drive by Shooter kit.

[H]

Criminals will always be able to get hold of a gun if they really want one.

Thus the repeated saying by my grandmother, "If you take all the guns away from the law abiding people, only the criminals will have them." I also remember one of my underclassmen secretly (and illegally) making one in machine shop.

Nevertheless, we (U.S. members) are in a debate with modern members of the very country that gave cause to the constitutional mandate in the first place. Most handguns, as well as the rifles/muskets were single shot items at the time and there was no distinction of necessity. The other aspect, very dire in our early history, was a very wild environment and just firing any gun into the air was enough to scare many wildlife threats away; this still persists in some places and survival is limited without a firearm.

I was five-years-old at the time I first shot a .22 calibre rifle (my uncle's, with him there) and have also used a 9mm as well as the M-16. The only creature I ever killed (again with a .22 rifle -- my own -- but when in my teens) was a porcupine ruining our golden delicious apples when throwing sticks at him didn't chase him off (never collected the bounty, little as it was, anyway). The only handgun I used was a .22 revolver and only as a target weapon.

8-)

[TacitBlue]

Along the same sort of subject: I recently found out that it is illegal to carry a switchblade knife in the state of Missouri (where I live). What bothers me about this is that if I take a class and qualify for the license, I can walk around with a gun in my pocket, but under no circumstances may I carry a knife that opens  when I push a button. How dare I have the convenience of a sharp cutting tool to aid me in my job and only use one hand to access it? But if I feel the need to defend myself then I can shoot someone. Don't get me wrong, I am not against gun ownership, but I am all for convenience when it comes to knife usage.

[commoner]

...mmm....every country has it own ideas and attitudes towards guns, knives etc........and some of ones you might not think of as being aggressive have the most surprising ideas.......Switzerland who traditionally are neutral in war for example....All Swiss men must do military service -- they all learn to shoot -- and when they go home, they take their assault rifles and 50 rounds of ammunition with them.

"For me it's just routine," said Philippe Schaub, heading home after his latest stint in the army. "We all do military service, we're all given a gun to take home. I keep it in my cupboard just like the coats and the snowboard and the vacuum cleaner."


.......get that Fozz?...."I keep it in my cupboard just like the coats and the snowboard and the vacuum cleaner."

I know this to be true as I frequently visit the country as my daughter in law and grand kids are Swiss.........

Another example of the Swiss attitude to things is that just last month on one of my visits I was shocked when my FIVE year old granddaughter was told to take a penknife to school as the class were going on a visit to the local forest to learn some woodcraft ......Two young women teachers and 20 five year olds each with a Swiss army knife foraging through the woods...........My Swiss daughter in law never turned a hair and couldn't understand my alarm........

.......in the USA are guns kept in the broom cupboard I wonder?

Starting to think I will have to review my views on this....commoner :-/

[expat]

Wow, this must be a SimV record....................A civilised debate about guns that has not been locked after the first page and a half, generally running for that length of time because there where no Mods on duty to lock it

We should finish now while the going is good..............Now, who is up for a conversation about;

Jesus or Mohamed, who was better.

or

George Bush and Tony Blair, how will history view them?



Matt

[Fozzer]

........."For me it's just routine," said Philippe Schaub, heading home after his latest stint in the army. "We all do military service, we're all given a gun to take home. I keep it in my cupboard just like the coats and the snowboard and the vacuum cleaner."


.......get that Fozz?...."I keep it in my cupboard just like the coats and the snowboard and the vacuum cleaner."

....commoner :-/

I often wonder what happened to my old British Army 0.303 Lee-Enfield rifle...

..(No.... I dont......)...

I spent years carrying the bloody thing around with me, polishing it every day...(the Rifle)...pulling it through with a length of string with a piece of oil soaked rag tied to the end...(for the Rifle)...

Never did use the bloody thing, and never had any use for the bloody thing...

...I just had to keep carrying the heavy, bloody thing around with me...everywhere I went...

Handed it back into the Quartermaster's Store, and set fie to my uniform, when I got demobbed....  [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]...!

Never did fancy fire-arms from that day to this... ...!

Paul...I just throw stones at "things"... 8-)...!

.... ....!

[expat]

........."For me it's just routine," said Philippe Schaub, heading home after his latest stint in the army. "We all do military service, we're all given a gun to take home. I keep it in my cupboard just like the coats and the snowboard and the vacuum cleaner."


.......get that Fozz?...."I keep it in my cupboard just like the coats and the snowboard and the vacuum cleaner."

....commoner :-/

I often wonder what happened to my old British Army 0.303 Lee-Enfield rifle...

..(No.... I dont......)...

I spent years carrying the bloody thing around with me, polishing it every day...(the Rifle)...pulling it through with a length of string with a piece of oil soaked rag tied to the end...(for the Rifle)...


.... ....!

During field deployment with the Harrier Farce, we had the old SLR back in the 80's. That was one lump of steel to carry about. In the first week, before Tacival it was not required to carry it about, but it had to be cleaned. We devised a way around that. We would put said gun into a very large plastic bag and then put a bag of desiccant in with it. Tape the bag up and then place it in the lock box on the side of our teams 4 tonner. Worked a treat. Then get it out, play war for three to five days, clean it once again before bagging it again ready to hand back to the amoury on return to camp.

Matt

[H]

...in the USA are guns kept in the broom cupboard I wonder?

Broom closet, not always ... but sometimes beneath one's pillow or mattress. We made gun racks in school woodshop (I used solid cherry wood) -- or gun cabinets, which are preferred since they are not only lockable but the guns aren't exposed. There are variances in local laws, too. Nevertheless, it is expected that firearms will be stored unloaded and out of reach, particularly, of children.

I spent years carrying the bloody thing around with me, polishing it every day...(the Rifle)

Were its instructions in Slavic?
I never understood why we spell that word with but one 'L'. It reminds me of the Prince Albert-in-a-can joke. Open a can of polish and a tiny Slavic fellow pops out like a Jack Pole-in-the-box can.

8-)

[Brett_Henderson]

Broom closet.. LOL

[commoner]

...amazing........I would have said  "Only in America" ....but must now add Switzerland and...er.....well any one else like to join in the fun?...commoner

[Fozzer]

I live in rural, upper Michigan, by myself......

....You've shot all the neighbours? ........ .... ......!

Paul.... ...!

[Brett_Henderson]

I live in rural, upper Michigan, by myself......

....You've shot all the neighbours? ........ .... ......!

Paul.... ...!

.. ummm, no.

But... That's the whole point. If someone did take leave of their senses,

[H]

I live in rural, upper Michigan, by myself......

....You've shot all the neighbours?

.. ummm, no.

Please note, Foz, that he hasn't shot all the neighbors -- and there's no mention of any remaining children.

8-)

[RichieB16]

.......in the USA are guns kept in the broom cupboard I wonder?

I hope most people don't, but quite a few people do.  I have been around guns since a very young age (my dad helped me shoot my first gun around age 3 or 4).  He felt it was important to learn early how to handle a firearm safely and correctly.  I have embraced guns as a hobby of mine and think that there is nothing wrong with owning guns if one is responsible.

This includes safe storage.  The last thing I need is someone breaking in a stealing one...and hurting someone with it, or worse a child finding one a hurting themselves or others.  I don't store any weapons loaded and they are always locked up unless I am using them.  Here is how I store them:

[Brett_Henderson]

My "collection" shares a secured coal bin (it actually was the place where coal was delivered to the old, family home), with my brother's collection and about 150 bottles of rare wine. I'll get a photo, next time I'm there.

The weapons in my photos are just "every day" guns.. kinda familiar tools. I have no children, and children rarely (if ever) visit.. so, until I find a use for an unloaded gun; they stay at the ready. I live out in the middle of nowhere.. Having to fumble for ammunition when you might actually need a weapon, defeats the whole purpose.  I also have a concealed carry permit, and have twice saved myself because of it...

[RichieB16]

I just prefer to have them unloaded...I don't like weapons stored loaded.  I have 2 8-round magazines loaded at all times for my .45 M1911.  I leave them next to the gun and locked in the safe.  If I ever need to get a gun, I think loaded it and chambering a round won't take too long.