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Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Katahu » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:46 am

With the recession almost imminent in the United States [as of 2008] and with many Americans teetering at the brink of bankruptcy due to the morgage crisis, I feel compelled to share a few lessons I have learned from recent experience in regards to credit card debt.

When I got hold of my first credit card, I didn't think much of it other than to use it to buy my favorite computer, a 30GB Zune player, a Guitar Hero III set, and even a brand new desk to accomadate my new computer. This is because my card's credit line started off fairly high for starters. But as the monthly bill came in and as the interest climbed, I began to realize that credit cards are not all what they were cracked up to be. Thankfully, I am currently financially capable of keeping up with the monthly payments. On top of that, I had a monthly car payment for my Honda Accord to deal with [which I still am].

Now for the tips. To start off, I'll use the life of a typical high school graduate still living with his/her parents as an analogy.

1. First and foremost, I will start off with an age-old tip that every right-minded person with financial experience will tell you: Never spend more than you can earn. This is a pretty common mistake with every newbie who thinks he/she is rich with a card that has a $1,500+ credit line. Since America is a country where good credit is important, we all understand that you will eventually have to sign up for a credit card one way or the other. So the question will not be "if you sign up for a credit card". It's will be "when will you". When you do, you will have to ask yourself this question and consider it carefully.

How am I going to use this credit?

If you intend to use such credit to get yourself that nice Playstation 3 and a nice 6-foot wide flat screen HDTV to go with it, you're starting off on the wrong foot. For newbies, credit cards are for emergencies only. And I mean REAL emergencies such as when you have absolutely no money in your regular checking account and you still have to pay off that car bill that you're parents handed down to you because your paycheck from Burger King hasn't come in yet. Don't be afraid to use the credit card in that sort of emergency because you can later pay off that balance over time later since the average bill for credit cards are pretty low for cards that have a very low balance [ie: a balance of $600 on a credit card that has a $5,000 credit line]. On top of that, always remember to pay more than what the credit card bills require every month [ie: paying $150 on a credit card bill demanding only $100]. This will not only help reduce your card's balance very quickly, the interest will also reduce over time. As a result, your next credit card bill might become cheaper than the last one. Once your credit card is fully paid off and the balance is at $0, you shouldn't have to worry about any more bills. Ok, the monthly payment on your hand-me-down car still has to be paid; which brings me to my next point.

2. Obviously, you have to keep the payment on your car current. If you have a job that pays at least $8.50 an hour, you should be ok for as long as your parents pay the insurance; which doesn't normally look too kindly on drivers younger than 25 years of age since such drivers have a habit of causing car accidents because they feel compelled to race around the streets in the middle of the night. Anyways, just like credit card payments, car payment are best paid early and with more than what the monthly bill demands. That way, the car will be paid off far sooner than what the lenders at the bank predict. Of course, car bills are not entirely like credit bills. Unlike credit card bills, car bills never get cheaper every month simply because you paid more than what was due. The bill will remain the same every month no matter how much you pay. Once the car is fully paid off, I suggest that you keep the car for as long as humanly possible and keep it maintained as needed. Never buy another car unless you are certain that you absolutely have to [ie: your hand-me-down Chevy Corvette won't be able to accommodate a family of five once you get married in the near future].

I don't want to get into any details about owning a house since that is too complicated for me to both understand and explain at the moment. I'll leave that to the next SimV member who wants to post a tip on this thread. Anyways, now that you know what I know, I hope any newbies around here have a prosperous financial future using the experience I have just shared. If anyone around here has a money-saving experience to share with others, than go ahead.

NOTE: The tips I posted are mainly for those who are still young and are just starting life with credit.
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Ashar » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:47 am

All I'm gonna say is good to see you around Jesse :P
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby ozzy72 » Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:29 am

My great tips would read as follows;
Don't get married!
Don't have children!
NEVER get a credit card!
Get a pay-as-you-go mobile ;)
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Sir_Crashalot » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:11 am

You want to stay debt free? Like Ozzy said, get rid of your credit card. Don't go for cheap bank loans with low interest rates (you always pay more than they show). Don't buy what you can't afford (cheap beer is beer too) and work your f***** @$$ off...........

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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Hagar » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:51 am

Unfortunately we live in an instant gratification society. Get it now, pay later. This credit card culture has naturally been encouraged by the banks & even the government by offering student loans.

There was no such thing as credit when I was young & my parents taught me not to buy anything unless I could afford it.* That is still the best advice I can give anyone. Owning that shiny new  toy will taste so much sweeter when you finally hold it in your grubby little hands after saving up for it. You will also appreciate it more & make sure you look after it.

I have a credit card which I find very useful but I use it to my advantage by always paying what I owe in full each month. If & when they start charging me for this service I will cut it up into little pieces.

*There are obviously exceptions to this rule as not many people could afford to buy a new car or house outright. However, the basics still apply. Live within your income. Forgetting this is the cause of the current economic crisis which is affecting the UK (me) as much as the US.
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Fozzer » Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:52 am

My Debit Card is used for my day-to-day "Shopping"....
...(saves carrying Cash around)...

....And my Credit card is only used (to buy various Toys!) when I know that I can clear the debt in total before the interest is due at the end of the Month!.... ;)...!

A life with no debts is a happy life....Trust me!... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]...!

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P.S...I've often been "Poor" in the past, but never had any debts that I couldn't pay off very quickly and successfully!...
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby beaky » Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:17 am

Only advice I can offer- and this is from someone who did NOT do it right, hence a lesson hard-earned- is to go ahead and get a credit card ASAP, but do not use it much.

You need credit to get credit... if you wait until you'd like to buy a house (that is, take out a loan) before having any credit extended to you, you will be laughed at.
Little or no credit history is almost as bad as having delinquent accounts, in terms of your credit score, which is what the bean-counters at lending institutions use to assess you as a risk- more so than your income. So you need to establish a history.

The bottom line is that they don't care very much about your cash flow- they want to see that others have extended you credit, be it a CC or a loan. They're like girls who are only interested in guys who are already spoken for: the unattached dudes "must have something wrong with them", as they see it. ;D

Try not to use it for anything you won't have the cash for by the time the next CC bill is due., and you should be OK.

Too many suckers think of credit as "free money", or in the case of many Americans, some sort of God-given right... to the extent that they seem unaware of the interest and how easily it can pile up.
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby TSC. » Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:52 am

Learnt my lesson the hard way when I was younger.

On the plus side it did teach me to save up for what I want & not use credit cards. I don't have any credit cards now & if I want something I save up for it - it also makes the purchase that much sweeter when you finally get what you want.

The only good thing that came out of my credit cards was the
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Fozzer » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:01 am

I'll tell you what a "Credit Card" is most useful for...

I can always afford to pay for a purchase outright, but using a "Credit Card" for a purchase gives you the opportunity to reclaim your money back if you consider there is a fault with the product, or it is unsatisfactory, not fit for use, etc...

...a sort of guarantee of approval/acceptability...

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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby expat » Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:22 am

I'll tell you what a "Credit Card" is most useful for...

I can always afford to pay for a purchase outright, but using a "Credit Card" for a purchase gives you the opportunity to reclaim your money back if you consider there is a fault with the product, or it is unsatisfactory, not fit for use, etc...

...a sort of guarantee of approval/acceptability...

Paul... ;)...!


Same reason for me too Fozzer. However I also use mine to pay when I fill up.........my credit card fives me a 5% discount on the cost of the fuel providing I pay the bill when it arrives and with the cost of fuel today, that is a real incentive to pay up in full on time..

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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Brett_Henderson » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:49 am

Being one who can't pass on a chance to give advice
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Chris_F » Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:03 pm

Credit cards are like knives or firearms.  They can be extremely useful or they can be extremely dangerous.  The choise is entirely up to you.  I've had my credit card since I was a college freshman and in those 15 or so years I've never once carried a monthly ballance.  Carying debt on a credit card is a bad, bad move...
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Fozzer » Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:50 pm

Debit/Debit cards V Cheques...


In England, Cheques are rarely accepted by Retailers nowadays.
...they don't like the hassle...
..and the moans of the other shoppers waiting in the queue while they are being filled out!

They are slowly being phased out, which leaves either Cash or Debit (or Credit) cards to pay for the goods or service.

My Bank doesn't even bother to send me a replacement Cheque Book now, unless I pop in and ask for one.

I only use a Cheque now to clear the payment on my Credit Card with my Bank.....no use for them otherwise...

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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby Hagar » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:02 pm

I prefer to use a credit card rather than a debit card Paul. Retailers like debit cards as the money is transferred direct from your account. With the credit card I don't get the bill for anything from one to four weeks. I also have the extra advantages you mentioned like additional guarantees & even insurance if you lose or damage your purchase on the way home from the shop.
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Re: Tip on how to avoid debt.

Postby MWISimmer » Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:16 pm

Credits cards are an excellent way to shop if you know how to use them.

I use them for almost all of my purchases, apart from my morning newspaper, the very occasional fast food purchase and beer from my off licence/pub.

Here's how it works with me:

My salary goes into my current account (with a minimal interest rate)
It gets transferred immediately into my online savings account (high interest rate)- minus what's needed to cover my direct debits.
I withdraw enough cash to get me by on the above mentioned purchases for the month.
I make all my remaining purchases on my credit card; fuel, weekly shopping, gifts etc, whilst all the money in my savings account accrues interest.
At the end of the month I transfer money back to my current account to pay off my credit card therefore getting no interest charges on my purchases.

I can honestly say that I make money out of my credit card as opposed to the other way round.

And I guarantee my credit card company hates me
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