further proof global warming is rubbish

[Slotback]

1. How do you know that?

Ice cores.

2. By about .6 Degrees Celsius globaly.

It's getting closer to one degree, however, some areas are getting cooler while others warmer. I beleive some parts of Europe are over 5 degrees warmer, average.

3. So whats new? Species always have and always will go extinct, even before man, millions of species lived and died out here on earth.

Massive amounts of previously healthy Wildlife dieing in short periods of time is what's new.

I tell you what, go get an endangered species list, and imagine if that had been happening for the past ten thousand years. Wouldn't be many animals, would there?

I'm not saying the earth is not getting hotter, just that how do we know what the cause or even the effects of "global warming" really are???

I agree.

Rather than dismissing it as a 'crazy cycle the Earth goes through every one in a while' (with no evidence), scientists should continue researching it and make a decision on what IS doing it.

@Relentless

over 650,000 years.... considering the age of the earth 650,000 years is not much!

In that 650000 years the only cycle we could see had absolutely nothing to do with the change that we're seeing today.

and what's never mentioned, is the species that wil not go extinct because of a climate change.

I don't think the fact that some species won't go extinct makes it any better.

Remember.. these things happen on time scales that are beyond our grasp.

Great Barrier reef is predicted to die within 50 years, it took millions of years to form.

Who's to say that a slightly warmer planet isn't a net, good thing ?

I don't think the changes that we're seeing are good things.

Now.. even if there was a convincing argument for man causing this..

And that's my point. You guys don't even accept the possibility that man is causing this, instead, it's a 'crazy cycle', but really, there isn't any evidence pointing to that either.

We're about as likely to stop being industrial (or alter our industry enough to make a difference in time to matter) as beavers are likely to stop building dams..

It's not about stopping being industrial. It's about cutting down emisions.

the solutions would be worse for civilization than the problem..

I disagree.

[Brett_Henderson]

I disagree.

That's how it works..

[Brett_Henderson]

I don't know how old you are..  I was an adult in the 1970s.. and remember well the alarmist's mania of that time. All the environmental experts were screaming that man's industrial acitivity was bringing on an ice age..  all their ice-cores, and temperature trends in hand..  and that if we didn't do something about it, by 2010 it would be too late ...

[J.]

has this guy never heard of a crazy thing this planet has done a few times called the ice age, when it gets extremely frigging cold and then warms up again!

[pepper_airborne]

I know one thing, and that it is impossible too predict the climate, heck, i'd worry more about the next polar shift then a changing climate, if our calculations are right then we might not excist anymore after that.

[Chris_F]

The Earth has never done what it is doing in the past 650 000 years, yet now, when Carbon dioxide levels are over 25% higher than they were in 1965, temperature begins to rise. Species are going extinct. Sealevels are rising. All while we're pumping out Co2.

I accept the possibility that humans are having an impact on climate, however I do not believe it is proven, and I do not believe we should be changing our lifestyles based on an unproven possibility.  25% more CO2 still makes CO2 a very rare gas in the atmosphere.  IIRC isn't it only 0.02% of the atmosphere?  And CO2 is a relatively weak greenhouse gas, 16x less effective than water vapor.

Warming and cooling trends happen naturally, we know that from a variety of sources showing such trends happening prior to humans and prior to fossil fuels.  The question isn't "is the earth warming" it's "how much do humans contribute to warming."  That is entirely unproven at this time.

[DONTREADMYUSERNAME]

[quote]I don't know how old you are..

[BAW0343]

The earth was designed to balance itself out, if theres too much CO2 and its our fault  the earth will kill us off and boom no more CO2. Its really not our problem, the earth is a big girl, she can take care of herself. However we should be nice to her.

Although ice cores give us a glimpse into the past its the same thing as carbon dating. We don't actually know what the temperature of anything was over like 180ish years ago so theres no way to check our answers. Which means our ice core samples could be dramatically wrong.

Its the same thing with carbon dating (to give another example) we can "date" the object but if we don't know how old it really was we don't know if our method was right and therefore really shouldn't base scientific information on this method.

We have been here for such a short time we have no idea how the world really works other then theories that seem to make sense of it all. Global warming is possible but theres no way to know. Science isn't anywhere near 100% accurate. Remember how the egg was good for you then bad for you but now its good again???  Why should we spend so much time worrying about this major problem if they couldn't even figure out if eggs were good for you.

I say live life to its fullest, but be aware. We have proof we have destroyed habitats and we need to be better to the environment. But whether or not we are changing the climate forever? I'm sorry but I have bigger things going on in my life. I'd rather go spend time with friends and family, we never know when we will kick the bucket.

[DONTREADMYUSERNAME]

I tell you what, go get an endangered species list, and imagine if that had been happening for the past ten thousand years. Wouldn't be many animals, would there?

Well, (presupposing evolution) at one point there was only one species of anything on earth, and then due to evolution, many more species came about....

http://www.earthscape.org/t1/wie01/new_species.html

While approximately 1.6 million species have been described to date, one estimate of the total number of species on Earth exceeds 30 million, and a re-evaluation of this study's data suggests that the total might approach 100 million.  

100 million!

[Chris_F]

[quote]The earth was designed to balance itself out, if theres too much CO2 and its our fault

[Chris_F]

Well, (presupposing evolution) at one point there was only one species of anything on earth, and then due to evolution, many more species came about....

I assume your point is that extinction rates probably approximate evolution rates over time otherwise we'd currently see an almost infinite number of species today?

[J.]

what differs us from animals, an age old question that was answered by pete burns in one of the Celebrity Big Brothers here in the UK

and i quote

the thing that differs us from animals is the fact that we can accessorize

[H]

what differs us from animals, an age old question that was answered by pete burns in one of the Celebrity Big Brothers here in the UK:

the thing that differs us from animals is the fact that we can accessorize

The question here, however, seems to be, "Are we an accessory?"

8-)

[FsNovice]

The problem with the Global warming argument is the egocentric properties of us mere humans. Yes the world may be warming, but that doesnt make it our fault/responsibility. Its natural. Some environmentalists think the whole world revolves around humans. WRONG

[Piper_Cub]

I can only hope this miserable world ends