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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Katahu » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:52 am

I for one believe that we are not the CAUSE of global warming; however, I do believe that we are now the main CONTRIBUTORS to global warming. Take a look at China. China has like 1/3 of the world's population and is massive export industry is causing a ton of pollution right now. Take a look at Google's main servers. Its servers alone require an entire cooling facility that requires a lot of electricity being produced by power plants. These factors, and many others that I have learned about over the years, are more than enough to have me a little worried.

But you're right. For me, I shouldn't be too worried about it; however, I do believe that if these problems are not addressed, my children and every other generation that comes after them might suffer as global warming reaches its peak.

I understand, that global warming is a never-ending cycle. But we have to realize that we are accelerating it. At what rate, we can't be certain at all. Like I said. There are factors that have me a bit worried.
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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby expat » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:50 am

In the 80's it was the big freeze and then being burnt to death by acid rain. What makes them think that third time around they have it right.

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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Omag 2.0 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:45 am

My personal view:

If we have caused the global warming, than we can't do to much about it on a short term... the temperatures follow about 40 - 50 years behind.

But I'm more convinced that we might undergo solar activity changes... which we can't do anything about. So let's not get silly!

BUT! This doesn't mean we shouldn't take care of our environment... Let's build energy conservative houses, let's purify our water and exhausts, let's find renewable sources of energy... we can only benefit from it... This SHOULD remain a main concern.

But "they" are just overdoing the doomscenarios lately!

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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Hagar » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:02 am

Well said Omag.

When prevaricating about Global Warming nobody seems to mention the impact of natural events like erupting volcanoes or the recent wildfires in California. These release vast quantities of the dreaded carbon dioxide* among other pollutants into the atmosphere. I recall that the Mount St. Helens eruption in 1980 affected weather patterns in Europe for several years afterwards. I have no idea what permanent damage this did to the atmosphere or ozone layer. Human beings cannot be held responsible for these natural disasters or do anything to prevent them. Without getting political, recent conflicts on some parts of the planet have contributed far more to Global Warming than peaceful Human activities ever will. People involved in war never consider the effect of their activities on the environment. I once read that there's been a major conflict going on somewhere on this planet every single day except one since the end of WWII & there is no sign of an end to it.

*They used to go on about cattle farting & producing methane. Now the culprit seems to be carbon dioxide. Perhaps it would help if we all stopped breathing. ::)
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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Fozzer » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:16 am

Well said Omag.

When prevaricating about Global Warming nobody seems to mention the impact of natural events like erupting volcanoes or the recent wildfires in California. These release vast quantities of the dreaded carbon dioxide* among other pollutants into the atmosphere. I recall that the Mount St. Helens eruption in 1980 affected weather patterns in Europe for several years afterwards. I have no idea what permanent damage this did to the atmosphere or ozone layer. Human beings cannot be held responsible for these natural disasters or do anything to prevent them. Without getting political, recent conflicts on some parts of the planet have contributed far more to Global Warming than peaceful Human activities ever will. People involved in war never consider the effect of their activities on the environment. I once read that there's been a major conflict going on somewhere on this planet every single day except one since the end of WWII & there is no sign of an end to it.

*They used to go on about cattle farting & producing methane. Now the culprit seems to be carbon dioxide. Perhaps it would help if we all stopped breathing. ::)


...I've often wondered how much a good-old-War is, now and again, in reducing the Population to a more manageable level?

...It works, with some small effect, between opposing Football Supporters... ::)...!

The Allotment Holders, at the bottom of my Garden, add considerably to Global Warming with their bleedin' Bonfires...
...and make a mess of the washing on my clothes-line.... >:(...!

F....adding to the population is now a distant memory.... :'(...!
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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Hagar » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:32 am

...I've often wondered how much a good-old-War is, now and again, in reducing the Population to a more manageable level?

...It works, with some small effect, between opposing Football Supporters... ::)...!

The Allotment Holders, at the bottom of my Garden, add considerably to Global Warming with their bleedin' Bonfires...
...and make a mess of the washing on my clothes-line.... >:(...!

F....adding to the population is now a distant memory.... :'(...!

You have a good point there Paul. War, plague & pestilence is Mother Nature's way of keeping the population to a manageable level. Survival of the fittest & all that.*

*Not sure where that leaves me, or you for that matter. :o :P
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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Katahu » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:37 am

I once read that there's been a major conflict going on somewhere on this planet every single day except one since the end of WWII & there is no sign of an end to it.


I think you're talking about the Korean War between the North and the South. The two countries are technically still at war even now and are only living under a "cease fire" or "armistice". People refer to it as "the forgotten war" because we don't think much about it. Think of it as a Korean version of the Cold War.

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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Hagar » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:46 am

I once read that there's been a major conflict going on somewhere on this planet every single day except one since the end of WWII & there is no sign of an end to it.


I think you're talking about the Korean War between the North and the South. The two countries are technically still at war even now and are only living under a "cease fire" or "armistice". People refer to it as "the forgotten war" because we don't think much about it. Think of it as a Korean version of the Cold War.

No, I'm talking about real conflict where large numbers of people get killed on a regular basis. This has been happening in various places all over the world since the end of WWII.

The Korean Conflict of 1950 - 1953 was officially a Police Action & war was never declared.

PS. "The Korean War was retroactively declared a war -- 50 years to the day, after the fact -- by a ceremonial Act of Congress" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_action
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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Fozzer » Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:52 am

...I've often wondered how much a good-old-War is, now and again, in reducing the Population to a more manageable level?

...It works, with some small effect, between opposing Football Supporters... ::)...!

The Allotment Holders, at the bottom of my Garden, add considerably to Global Warming with their bleedin' Bonfires...
...and make a mess of the washing on my clothes-line.... >:(...!

F....adding to the population is now a distant memory.... :'(...!

You have a good point there Paul. War, plague & pestilence is Mother Nature's way of keeping the population to a manageable level. Survival of the fittest & all that.*

*Not sure where that leaves me, or you for that matter. :o :P


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...any more thought on the possibility of you and me adding to the Population Problem...

...or is it too late now?... ::)...!

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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby DONTREADMYUSERNAME » Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:47 pm

Did you guys know that there are actually more Forests/Jungels/trees/plant life on earth now than there was 20 years ago?
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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby john_uk » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:01 pm

Did you guys know that there are actually more Forests/Jungels/trees/plant life on earth now than there was 20 years ago?


see cannabis does help the earth ;D ;D


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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Sir_Crashalot » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:03 pm

That could very well be. Problem is that, like it was said before, you cut down a tree faster than they grow. And since they cut down the tropical rainforests in a high speed, you can never replace those trees. No matter how many new trees you plant.....

Still think the global warming is a natural phenomenon and that human interaction has very little influence on it. Think about this; I never saw so many green trees and beautiful flowers as in Africa. Nature there is much prettier and diverse than it is here in Holland for example. Yet, have you ever seen the cars that drive around in Africa? Have you ever seen the machines they use? Ever saw the heavy diesel generators they use to provide electricity? Ever saw an African person complain about global warming?

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Re: Planet in Peril

Postby Tweek » Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:24 pm

Doesn't giant bamboo grow extremely quickly? Perhaps that's the answer to the world's problems... ;D
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