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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby dcunning30 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:36 pm

Maybe your Wal-Marts in Nevada aren't the cheap garbage that it is over here. Here in Florida Wal-Mart is a place where all the wierd people go and all they have to buy is cheap garbage. If you have anymore to say about Wal-Mart please post it in the "New Store" thread. :)



Ahhh, maybe I understand you a little better.  I've been to many Wal Mart stores in many parts of the country.  I'm used to a pleasant shopping expierence at Wal Mart, so I always seek out a local store whenever I'm travelling and need to shop for something.  But last Febuary, I went to a Wal Mart in Melbourn Beach Florida, and I went in there and thought, "what kind of piece of store is this?".  It was like shopping at KMart, which I make it my business never to go to.  So I don't know what the deal is with Florida, but just about every other WalMart I go to satisfies the expectations I have about the chain that make it my preferred retail store.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby Chris_F » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:38 pm

One important part of enforcing "rules" in a society is context.  These "strict" rules take context out of the equation and the result are the absurd things we see here: no hi-fives, no plastic butter knives, no toy army soldiers.  Here's a thought: let the professionals whom we hire and train to deal with this stuff decide what's right and what's wrong instead of blanket carte blanche rules set by some school committee made up of childless adults who haven't seen the inside of a classroom since they left high school.

I think a lot of this is fear of lawsuits.  If the rule is clearly stated and not open to interpretation then nobody can interpret it improperly and get sued.

Yet another reason why I believe Tort reform is the most important issue facing my country.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby spitfire boy » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:31 pm

[quote]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19293872/?GT1=10056 Ok, this is world is getting way too stupid.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby trojan rabbit » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:06 pm


If you treat us like animals, we'll act like animals' ;)



I'll go get my fur coat ;)

i had a principal in fourth grade who 'exceeded the limits [of stupidity]previously thought feasable by many scientists.  She, in her infinite wisdom, pulled the entire 650 students from class to chastise a handful of misdoers.  She now has been fired, and I have happilly moved on, to 8th grade.  Her husband is now the sheriff here, just imagine her with a gun!


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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby DONTREADMYUSERNAME » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:43 pm

Yea, spitfire your right, I'm in high school, and we get blanket punishments. If one person does wrong the whole class gets punished. For instance, we have a resource-like period for homework and seeing teachers. Now a couple of students used this period to leave the resource room saying that they had to go see so-and-so teacher. Instead they loitered in the hallway. They did this for several weeks into the school year, never ONCE getting in trouble! Then about two months later the principal enforces a strict new set of rules in which noone is allowed to leave the room unless a teacher comes and gets you from the resource room (except for piss breaks). This was due, to as she said, "students wandering in the halls". Uhhh.... why don't you just punish the people that breaks the rules instead of everyone else, dee-dee-dee?
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby Katahu » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:20 pm

Yea, spitfire your right, I'm in high school, and we get blanket punishments. If one person does wrong the whole class gets punished. For instance, we have a resource-like period for homework and seeing teachers. Now a couple of students used this period to leave the resource room saying that they had to go see so-and-so teacher. Instead they loitered in the hallway. They did this for several weeks into the school year, never ONCE getting in trouble! Then about two months later the principal enforces a strict new set of rules in which noone is allowed to leave the room unless a teacher comes and gets you from the resource room (except for piss breaks). This was due, to as she said, "students wandering in the halls". Uhhh.... why don't you just punish the people that breaks the rules instead of everyone else, dee-dee-dee?


That kind of rule only works in the military [if one person "fracks" up, the rest of the unit "fracks" up.] and has proven to be a very effective form of discipline. However, this rule doesn't work for squat in the civilian world. An individual civilian has the potential to create a habit of making everything work his/her way at the expense of other people's freedoms. Unfortunately, more and more individuals are developing this habit [especially beurocrats] and it has grown to the point where freedom of speech is in danger of being censored. This is why I consider "extreme" political correctness to be an infringment of every individual's right to free speech.

Don't get me wrong, I like political correctness; but only to an extent. For example: I understand that calling a mentally-ill person a "retard" is a very BAD idea considering the history of the word in the United States. However, I will draw the line against political correctness if it grows to the point where common sense is also in danger of becoming extinct.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby ATI_7500 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:51 am

That kind of rule only works in the military [if one person "fracks" up, the rest of the unit "fracks" up.] and has proven to be a very effective form of discipline.


It only works once in a while, but not constsantly.

Because at one point you start doing ugly things to the people that constantly screw up and refuse to change/improve...
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby dcunning30 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:06 am

Banning touching is not enough.  People can still give intimidating looks.  I say, if they REALLY want to screw up the students with their good intentions of making things 'safe' and 'fair' they should ban eye contact!   ;)
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby Chris_F » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:34 pm

That kind of rule only works in the military [if one person "fracks" up, the rest of the unit "fracks" up.] and has proven to be a very effective form of discipline. However, this rule doesn't work for squat in the civilian world. .


In addition to the reasons you mention, in the military soldiers are being trained to perform like a cohesive unit under very extreme circumstances (enemy fire, etc).  That type of lesson is entirely out of place in the civilian world where innovation and individual decision making (ie, going against the crowd to do the right thing) are crucial skills.  Unfortunately I believe our public school system is on the wrong philosophical path on this and other issues.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby dcunning30 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:53 pm

Unfortunately I believe our public school system is on the wrong philosophical path on this and other issues.


I agree.  The local government schools in my area have a no hitting rule.  So in practical terms, if someone begins pummelling another student, the victim is expected to not fight back, but report the attack.  If a student fights back to defend themself, they too will get in trouble.

That is ridiculous on a number of levels.  The obvious thing is they will take a beating.  The second thing is the student that gets beat will become a 'mark' and everyone who has a notion to, can take a few swings on that student without getting hit back.  I told my kids that they DO NOT have my permission to start a fight, but they have my complete support if they are attacked to defend themself, in fact, if they can, wipe the floor with the attacker.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby Katahu » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:15 am

I agree. I would rather fight back in self defense rather than to become a useful punching bag for the dirt bags. Everyone has a right to defend him/herself against his/her aggressors. If I had ever had a kid that gets in trouble for defending himself against a bully, then I'll support that kid on the grounds that everyone has the right to defend themselves.

I hate the school system. Every year, it becomes more and more beurocratic in nature. And for some reason, it's always run by people who are so dumb that, if you give them a hammer and chizel, they won't be able to tell which end of the chizel to strike the hammer on. >:(

PS: This wil be my last post for this thread as you all know now what my opinions are on this. So, cheers.
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Re: Banning High Fives

Postby spitfire boy » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:18 am

[quote]Banning touching is not enough.
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