9/11 vids

[commoner]

..mmm...well now..........I must say I am totally amazed at what I have read here today..........talk about "what planet" have I been on since 9/11...more like which universe have I been wandering around.

I can honestly say I have never heard anything to make me doubt that a hijacked airliner (flight 93, or whatever number it was) was dumped by terrorists on the Pentagon on that fateful day.

Not that I disbelieve the "theory" or otherwise ....just that I have never heard of it until now, and I thought I had my           eyes and ears open to all national and international events..........but .....well I am knocking on a bit!

I have just been to THIS website.........            http://www.flight93crash.com/  and must now go away and look for more on the subject.............oh dear!....better have a lie down first............commoner :-/

[Hagar]

I can honestly say I have never heard anything to make me doubt that a hijacked airliner (flight 93) was dumped by terrorists on the Pentagon on that fateful day.

United Flight 93 was not the one (alleged) to have crashed into the Pentagon. That was American Airlines Flight 77.

PS. Flight 93. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/attack/flight93.html

[ozzy72]

Okay I've got a brilliant new theory! The second gunman on the grassy knoll had a ricochet off President Kennedys tie-pin. The bullet then zoomed to the moon bouncing off several lumps of Eagle landers (a bit like pinball) and then eventually returned to Earth at an incredible speed thus splatting the Pentagon... I'm off to write the movie script now (yes I'll find a way to fit in some big melons for you Fozzer)! Expect to see this classic and historically accurate (by Hollywood standards) movie at a cinema or illegal website near you soon

[Brett_Henderson]

Most conspiracy theories can be wrapped up and discarded when you add logic and project it all out to a logical conclusion.

If a group of people were motivated enough, resourceful enough and smart enough to have some "means to an end" associated with these acts.. AND be in a position to take advantage of the aftermath.. they'd surely have found better, more efficient, less risky "plans".

The only conspiracy that ever kept my attention was the TWA 747 with an exploding fuel tank  ::)

I never did buy that one.

[beaky]

I've tried in vain to dissuade some people who've latched onto some of these "alternative" theories, not out of blind faith in the official story so much as to uphold the notion that if "They" can fake all of the evidence, so can the conspiracy theorists. Perhaps a cabal of government conspirators would have more to gain, but with the whole world available as an audience on the 'net, many of these other people don't need much motivation...
Let's not forget that the creators of "Loose Change" admit that they started out making a fictional film based on a conspiracy theory. Just as it may come to light that "The Man" did the whole thing, it may come to light that these two filmmakers were just upping the ante to increase the impact of their film by claiming they stumbled onto "proof" that the official account was all lies.

I tend to think of Sherlock Holmes ("the simplest explanation is usually the correct one") when sifting through all of this stuff; a plot involving 4 teams of hijackers is the simplest explanation, whereas if you were to buy the other stories, you'd have to believe that the Twin Towers were rigged with charges months before the fact and the buildings were struck by unmanned radio-controlled airliners, the Pentagon was hit with a cruise missile for some reason (despite the fact that Washington is full of people who can tell the difference, even at 300+ knots), and some sort of bomb was used at Shanksville to create an inspirational myth of heroism. And, oh yes, all the registered aircraft were made to disappear, and their crews and passengers were coerced into hiding for the rest of their lives, or were all executed. That's a very complicated plot, and it apparently went off without a hitch. With every confidence that nobody would question any of it... even though many people have.  
However, it's all food for thought... and the bottom line is that whoever did it, for whatever reason, it was a foul deed, and real people really did die (I knew some of them).

[Ijineda]

Have a look at this:
http://rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Possible explanation?

[expat]

If I really had the time and patience. No doubt I could come up with a video that would convince you the allies were the ones who started the second world war and that we we the bad guys..

I hate to be picky, but we did.
World War Two in Europe began on 3 September 1939 when Britain and France declared war on Germany after Hitler had refused to abort his invasion of Poland. But I still think that we were the good buys.

Matt

[commoner]

...sorry Hagar....whatever flight it was I never heard of it...............mind you I REALLY BELIEVE that the Americans went to the Moon..............and no, we don't want discussion on THAT one!....Do we?..............commoner

BTW...your link to flight 93 appears to be faulty.404 Not Found..........

[Brett_Henderson]

Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania (and is the current movie)..

Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon..

[Hagar]

BTW...your link to flight 93 appears to be faulty.404 Not Found..........

Works for me. Must be your end.

[61_OTU]

Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania (and is the current movie)..

Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon..

Indeed, it happened, people died.....all those with conspiracy in their minds should get over it

Rotty/Brett, spot on observations

[Hagar]

Indeed, it happened, people died.....all those with conspiracy in their minds should get over it

The only real conspiracy here is whether the US Government is hidng the truth about the fate of Flight 93. To be brutally frank, that it was shot down to prevent it reaching its intended target, presumably Washington DC or the White House itself. As I remarked earlier, there's no point in worrying myself about that as I'll be long gone by the time the truth comes out, if it ever does. By that time nobody else will be too worried either.

[Omag 2.0]

Some people intrigue me... they put aside all official or logical explanations and data and believe less "trustworthy" sources... On thing always bugs me... you're never able to verify the socalled "evidence"... neither the official one, and certainly not the ones people use to base their theories on... It's all a matter of trust....

[BAW0343]

well first off, this is the fastest growing post i have ever made.  but lets move on to the subject..

For all you "there was no debre!"  (cant spell sorry!) Well take a look at the link above, Theres plenty of debree there, any of us can spot it, and the gear, most obvious. I beleive it CAN be photoshoped but in this case why should it? Why would the government just wake up one morning and say "Hey! i think i'll kill hundreds of innocent people today! Lets prentend to be terrorists and crash here, here, here, and why not, here!" (sorry a little extreme) The government wouldent kill its own people, and something like this is to time consumeing and had NO point. The whole conspiracy thing is just stupid.  Flight 93, as people said they say debree falling off before theplane hit the ground, totally believeable, a plane (no doubt it was overspeed) could start ripping apart if its going fast enough, or perhaps a missile did hit it. That believeable aswell, the government wanted to bring down the aircraft before it hit any major targets causeing biger problems then we already had. Whatever the "truth"  is, people died, thats not good, the government sucks (usually), and people are crasy.

I hope my post didnt sound angry, i wasn't, i brought up the videos to have a good disscussion on them, looks like i got what i wanted  ;D

BTW: Fozzer dont correct my spelling  ;D  lol

[Brett_Henderson]

This government, military and assorted agencies can't keep a secret about the covert aspects of a war being fought on the other side of the planet.

If a fighter did indeed need to shoot flight 93 down.. right HERE in the heartland of the USA, not only would it be nearly impossible keep that under wraps.. there's really no reason TO keep it hidden. Had they attempted to shoot it down and botched that task and the plane went on to crash into the White House.. Maybe I could see a cover-up attempt.. But it wouldn't last long.