Choosing which firearm to buy.

[Fozzer]

....mmm...yes....lol...I like it.........incidentally it has a present day counterpart..........the latest in the war on antisocial behaviour is to play high pitched sound wherever "yobs" gather to "enjoy" themselves as they do.........apparently only people under, 19-20 or so can hear this and it hurts so much, as did your teacher's gauntlet, that they just have to go elsewhere. Anyone older can't hear a thing.

Trouble is that the poor little dears have to be protected from such terrible things and the threat of prosecution is rearing it's ugly head to have it stopped. I suspect that your teacher would similarly have had to give up what she did as it would be deemed to be both dangerous and an infringement of their Civil Rights............commoner

The good news...

I hear they are bring out a Mk2 version, which also destroys the teen-agers as well...... ...!

You can get them in the Argos Stores...

[Brett_Henderson]

Commoner wrote:

...mmm...I always said that damned Geneva Convention was a mistake. We "goodies" have to abide by it whilst the "baddies" just ignore it and do what they want to do
.............commoner  

That pretty much sums up how gun control laws have played out here in the U.S.    ;)

[Brett_Henderson]

605 Scorpion wrote:

Even though I love guns I have to agree with Doug.  A gun is not a tool; a gun is a weapon.  A gun serves no purpose but to destroy or kill whatever it's aimed at.  Just because what is being killed is a deer instead of an enemy soldier does not change a gun from being a weapon.

That the task at hand is unpleasant does not disqualify the implements availed as "tools"..

[commoner]

605 Scorpion wrote:

That the task at hand is unpleasant does not disqualify the implements availed as "tools"..

....Must agree......"A tool is, among other things, a device that provides a mechanical or mental advantage in accomplishing a task.".....

......No points for guessing what that task is..........but here's a clue..............people end up DEAD, usually.....commoner

[Romulus111VADT]

I actually agree with both sides of the gun issue. Yes, guns are meant for one purpose- to destroy life. But after serving in Vietnam. I must admit that when people are trying to harm me or my family. Then it is my duty to defend these lives with what ever force is necessary to accomplish this all important task.

I also must point out that in the event of some man-made or natural disaster. Guns will protect you from the lawless and via hunting will help to feed a starving family. I believe that it would be rather difficult to bring down a deer or rabbit by throwing steak knives at them...

[ozzy72]

I've got a shiny new power tool I'd love to try out on a few students! It is a heavy duty drill with hammer action Oh kneecap surgery would be sooooooo much fun
As for students rights! Stuff 'em! I had a student who was always going on about his rights and how I was infringing them and then he'd skip class. One day I caught the idiot and dragged him away from his cigarette and into class. Off to the headmaster after the lesson. The parents turn up at the bosses request and start on the rights thing as well... muppets. Then before I can stop my mouth it pops a classic "Yes your son does have rights but accepting a place as a student of this school means he also accepts certain responsibilities like turning up for class!". Amazingly they got the message... he hasn't missed a lesson since
I'm lucky in that my boss is really good and backs the teachers up to the hilt!

[commoner]

I'm lucky in that my boss is really good and backs the teachers up to the hilt!

.......hmmm.....lucky indeed...VERY lucky...........it would take a brave man/woman to do that here in the UK. If they wanted to keep their job that is................commoner

.........wonder where human rights were when I was getting six of the best for little things like not wearing my school cap or when I got six more for not saying "Thank You Sir" for the first six............

[eno]

The one thing they have forgotten here in the UK is the rights of the Teachers .... and ultimately the Victims of the yobs that are the result of not getting an education.

[Hagar]

The one thing they have forgotten here in the UK is the rights of the Teachers ....

Unfortunately the teachers themselves (or their predecessors) are partly to blame for that.  They can't resist messing around with children's futures. What we're seeing now is the result of education experiments in the 1970s. They ruined the future of a whole generation of children. I told them at the time they were making a big mistake but it's taken over 30 years for them to find out that I was right.

[rootbeer]

What a long, strange thread it's been....

[Loafing Smurf]

Well, studying some statistics in the past few months. I can tell you most homicides are committed with a knife rather than a gun. I know for certain that this is true in Canada and the United Kingdom.




So, it would appear that this is a much more prevalent tool that is taking lives in civil society.

Also, a bow and arrow was designed to kill. Yet, there is no political debate that suggests it should be outlawed or licensed.

I think a bunch of us is driven by the perception of threat. Based on statistics that I studied, I'm finding that innocent things are killing more innocent civilians than firearms. Such as car accidents.

Personally, I'm the one that started this thread. And I do know that guns has a history of killing people. But, I don

[Hagar]

[quote]It seems that this thread has turned into a debate. I left engineering and been studying psychology, sociology and some politics in University. And to me, debates are just a method to come to a conclusion. But this pattern of debate is totally thrown off course by certain factors. Such as, opinionated individuals that has difficulties listening to what other people has to say. Their stubbornness can make other people upset and people will start defending their own opinions. Its things like this that produces great debate and but no great solutions. It

[ozzy72]

Okay I'll admit to being a hypocrite. I own a couple of guns. I go shooting with my father-in-law. However I'm very much in favour of strict gun control laws... the exception being teachers who should be allowed to shoot all the teenagers they want by law Of course my approach to classroom discipline is somewhat pre-stone age

[Loafing Smurf]

This is one of those subjects, like religion & politics, where a proper debate is impossible. People tend to have very strong views on gun ownership & no matter how long it's debated it's unlikely that anyone will change their mind. The fact that it's been a long & interesting discussion, carried out politely says a lot for the membership here. You've had plenty of advice on the type of gun to get & you know how others feel about it. On any other site I think this would have turned into a flame war long ago.

It seems that this is one of those subjects. It appears that forums is not the ideal place for such discussions. Yet, this topic has been very informative to me.

Okay I'll admit to being a hypocrite. I own a couple of guns. I go shooting with my father-in-law. However I'm very much in favour of strict gun control laws... the exception being teachers who should be allowed to shoot all the teenagers they want by law Of course my approach to classroom discipline is somewhat pre-stone age

In my opinion, I'm pretty ok with strict gun laws. In Canada, its ok to own a gun, but you have to go through a process set by government standards.

Pretty much, I have to take a course on operating and handling firearms. Then I have to get a background check for criminal history (which is not a problem for me). Then they might even ask for an interview. (they might want to know why I want to own a gun)

I think that this is a pretty good system to keep guns out of criminal hands.

[Hagar]

I think that this is a pretty good system to keep guns out of criminal hands.

I don't think any amount of gun regulation will do that. There are plenty of people willing to supply firearms & anything else to criminals for a price & no questions asked.

The worst atrocities in Britain in recent times were carried out not by criminals but by licenced gun owners. After the Hungerford & Dunblane massacres the tabloid press led campaigns for tighter gun controls which were implemented without a lot of thought & caused a lot of resentment among gun owners. In my opinion the existing gun laws were not being applied carefully enough.

Michael Ryan shot & killed 16 innocent people including his own mother & wounded 15 more in Hungerford (August 1987) before turning his gun on himself. He was a member of a local gun club. Here's a list of his licenced weapons including the Kalashnikov AK-47 used on that terrible day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_Report_appendix

Thomas Hamilton walked into a primary school in the village of Dunblane in March 1996 armed with 4 different pistols. He shot 16 small children & a teacher dead in cold blood before committing suicide. Hamilton had a history of interest in guns, was the legal owner of the firearms used in the shooting and a popular member of local gun clubs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hamilton_%28spree_killer%29

In hindsight both of these men were suspect & should never have been granted gun licences. I have to wonder how many more like them are out there.