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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby eno » Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:06 am

I bet they still had 2 man operation when you last used a bus then Doug. Back then in the "olden days" it was up to the Conductor  who at least knew he had the backup of his driver ;) ;) ;) ;) :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D

My guess ......... the old guy was as grumpy as the driver and refused to put it in a bag or something like that..... probably deserved what he got and because of the RAF Vet tag it made the press.  ::)  
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby Hagar » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:33 am

[quote]I bet they still had 2 man operation when you last used a bus then Doug. Back then in the "olden days" it was up to the Conductor
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby eno » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:48 am

Don't get me wrong I have a great amount of respect for all war vets ..... but had it been Joe Bloggs retired shopkeeper it wouldn't have made even a local news programme/paper.

I once had a conversation with an Air Stewardess who had,  for several years, been the chief of BA cabin crew training. Her particular forte was customer service and defusing difficult situations. I met her in the capacity of training new bus drivers in the art of keeping the customer happy.
Myself and  several other old hands  had been  in a classroom being taught about the new ticket machines that were being introduced. We had picked up how to use the machine in minutes and spent the rest of the time listening to what was going on next door .... so much so that the instructor opened the partition and asked if we could listen in. He obviously thought we would benefit.

At the end of the session the floor was opened up for questions ....... me being the big mouth that I am gave her a senario along the lines of the airline related ones that she had been using as examples.

Rush hour bus filled to the brim with standing room only ..... 10 minutes late because of the traffic and half the passengers moaning because it's late and theirs no seats.  Happy driver  still smiling and attempting to be cheerful  as people attempt to board ....... one passenger decides that he's going to block the drivers view to the left despite being asked to move down the bus..... the passenger gets shirty. Please tell me how you are going to A. Drive the bus and attempt to keep from running later than you already are. B. Diffuse the situation with the shirty passenger without antagonising all the other passengers. The main criteria being that most people on the bus are already late ...... and are only in your company for an average of 15 minutes rather than several hours. You have no incentives to offer to diffuse the situation and anyway it's all out of your control. You can't leave your seat and you don't have the  time to use some of her techniques.


My solution ....... stop the bus refuse to move untill the passenger moves..... hopefully the other, already late, passengers take the drivers side and take control of the situation embarrassing the PITA passenger into moving. It's a gamble but you have nothing to loose as one shirty passenger is exactly the same as 100 shirty passengers.
The last resort ...... ask the problem passenger to leave the bus ..... or have him removed.

She didn't really have an answer...... I ventured that she couldn't really comment untill she had tried the job first hand ...... and that I wouldn't be presumptuious enough to comment on her skills as a stewardess without experiencing the job. I also added that I respected her ideas and experience, but that as a Stewardess her sole function was to see to the customer ...... she didn't have to fly the aircraft at the same time, take the fares and check the tickets.

Several weeks later I bumped into her again ....... whilst walking through the depot ...... she had decided to get the bus to work rather than drive, a completely new experience for her, to see first hand what it was like at peak times. Her ideas were being ammended and to cap it all she had been told that she was going to be trained for her PCV license and being sent out for 3 months on the road once she had passed.

I never saw her after that ........ I left the job a few months later... so I don't know if she stuck it out.
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby Fozzer » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:11 am

...have you Lads out there noticed tha a 'Bus drivers job, and a Moderators job are very similar... ;)... ;)... ;)...!
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby Hagar » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:15 am

Don't get me wrong I have a great amount of respect for all war vets ..... but had it been Joe Bloggs retired shopkeeper it wouldn't have made even a local news programme/paper.

It doesn't say anything about him being a war veteran. ::) :D
It says he was "a former self-employed decorator, who served with the RAF for 20 years". If he joined up at the age of 18 that would have been 55 years ago in 1951.

I also added that I respected her ideas and experience, but that as a Stewardess her sole function was to see to the customer ...... she didn't have to fly the aircraft at the same time, take the fares and check the tickets.

Indeed. This is the reason I said they should never have done away with the conductor. It's now being seriously suggested they bring them back.
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby eno » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:24 am

It doesn't say anything about him being a war veteran. ::) :D
It says he was "a former self-employed decorator, who served with the RAF for 20 years". If he joined up at the age of 18 that would have been 55 years ago in 1951.


Indeed. This is the reason I said they should never have done away with the conductor. It's now being seriously suggested they bring them back.


Where did the War Vet bit come from then? ::)

It's about time they did bring back the conductors ...... The old Routemasters in London were a pleasure to ride on .. because of the conductors. the drivers were happy because all they had to do was drive.
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby Hagar » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:32 am

Where did the War Vet bit come from then? ::)

You tell me. ::) :P It actually says he's a pensioner & RAF veteran. Don't mention the war. :o ;D

It's about time they did bring back the conductors ...... The old Routemasters in London were a pleasure to ride on .. because of the conductors. the drivers were happy because all they had to do was drive.

I still think they made a mistake retiring the Routemasters. Just like the conductors they will probably bring them or something like it back several years down the line. Those bendy things are causing traffic jams already. Imagine the chaos when 3 or 4 of them get stuck in heavy traffic. ::)
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby eno » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:22 pm

The Routemasters will only come back on special occasions ..... and in the hands of collectors. European regulations saw an end to them ...... they have had a 16yr stay of execution.

The EU tried to get London transport to get rid years ago ..... or attempt to put doors on them. By this time some of the older ones had been sold to other companies a couple of the companies in Glasgow attempted to do the door conversion and found it was more dangerous than the open platform. Needless to say it was scrapped and the buses were phased out when the EU waived their wand the first time. London was given the stay of execution as they were a tourist attraction.
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:32 pm

I'll never forget having a driving lesson in Cornwall, coming round a corner and finding myself face to face with an on coming 87 to Oxford Circus.

Selling off the routemaster makes for some weird situations. :)
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Re: I've seen it all now

Postby ozzy72 » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:21 am

There is a Route Master in Budapest! It came down to P
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