Plea for common sense

[H]

Since I tend to peruse earlier made posts first, I already responded to this thread's [now unlocked] spawn, not knowing that it had been locked during my absence. Due to events of the past, its being locked wouldn't have surprised me (it hadn't truly hit that level when I'd logged out).
Hagar can tell you that often we agree but sometimes we don't; I believe he would also tell you that we fairly well respect one another. I suppose it could come to the point that we each suggest the other ingest poison but, if it should arise that one of us intentionally dies of poisoning by the other's hand, Hagar will most certainly outlive me. Nevertheless, as he states (and I, too, a long time ago), it's nigh impossible to say anything that can't be seen with a religious or political bent. I definately have my own religious views but even within my own religious arena I've been termed a rebel (aka a heretic). Often, what one may see as a rectification of something that is deemed politically incorrect is actually, itself, politically incorrect to someone else.
Last night I heard a term that has bothered me for much of my life: "There's such an age difference, whatever would we talk about?" There's as big an age difference on this forum as anywhere -- as well as various personal environments -- and we can talk about most anything. Neither can we learn anything if we only deal with what we already know; challenging our own viewpoints is part of the procedure.
Also, only to emphasize rottydaddy's point, if a few dozen from the U.S. were seperately, silently milling about, many of you wouldn't even know where they were from; the moment one of our ruder dipsticks starts ranting you know immediately where he's from (unfortunately, you rarely keep him so we have to put up with him again).

[Hagar]

Hagar can tell you that often we agree but sometimes we don't; I believe he would also tell you that we fairly well respect one another.

Thank you H. We've had many interesting & intelligent discussions in the History forum which I'm sure we both enjoyed even if we didn't always agree. The whole point is that we respect each other's views & their right to express them. I originally opposed the idea of a History forum when it was first suggested as I feared that discussing history properly would make it a breeding ground for flame wars. Strangely enough my fears turned out to be groundless as most of the contributors to that part of the forum are intelligent people with a genuine interest in the subject. They realise that politics & religion have to be brought into the discussion & don't take offence at these subjects being discussed with regard to their historical significance.

This brings up a very interesting question. When do current events become history & thus qualify for being discussed sensibly & without causing offence? Another point. Anything anyone says here is their own personal opinion & unless it can be backed up by a reliable & respected source should not be regarded as fact.

I suppose it could come to the point that we each suggest the other ingest poison but, if it should arise that one of us intentionally dies of poisoning by the other's hand, Hagar will most certainly outlive me.

I'll have to read this through several times before I fully understand the implications behind it. If it means what I think it does I think you're far better educated & knowledgeable than me & could make me eat dirt if you wished. As Ali G might say - Respeck!

[BFMF]

it's nigh impossible to say anything that can't be seen with a religious or political bent.

That's not quite true. I've been here a long time and i've only been in the middle of 1 heated argument, and one big fight. I was also kind of involved with a few other incidents with a few other troublemakers. Neither had anything to do with religion of politics.

I'm not going to say that i've never posted something that had religious or political content (I can't remember too far back ), but to my knowledge, i've never upset anyone over it

[ozzy72]

we're all mature people...are we not?

I'm not, I'm Queen of The Potato People..... maybe I should get back on the alcohol

[Katahu]

Ozzy, get back on your medications. Looks like you've been skipping your dose again.

[Hagar]

I'm not, I'm Queen of The Potato People.....

LOl That gave me a good giggle.

With all the niggling going on around here that's becoming a rare commodity these days.

[JBaymore]

I'm not, I'm Queen of The Potato People..... maybe I should get back on the alcohol

So let's see... potato...... that would be vodka?  ;)

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]

So let's see... potato...... that would be vodka?

[ozzy72]

If anyone has any Smirnoff I'd be grateful

[H]

That's not quite true. I've been here a long time and i've only been in the middle of 1 heated argument, and one big fight. I was also kind of involved with a few other incidents with a few other troublemakers. Neither had anything to do with religion of politics.
I'm not going to say that i've never posted something that had religious or political content (I can't remember too far back ), but to my knowledge, i've never upset anyone over it

You're garbling what seems to be your own refute, unless you intended to translate my statement. The term "nigh impossible" = "not quite impossible" (nigh = nearly). Just because something isn't a political or religious issue for you or I doesn't mean it isn't for another (food for thought: beef [cows], ham [pigs], coffee, alcoholic beverages, etc.). If I were to counter???-attack* on everything I've ever heard ranted about (not inferring that I actually agree with all of it) in the religious arena, I'd have fumed out of here a long time ago and declared this place a region of hell ; I see that as the outlook of terrorists who have no tolerance for any but their own opinions. Unlike some of my supposed "brethren" my religious views are to be personal rather than taken personal on my own part; within my own family I've had a difference of opinion on politics, as well.
We can each choose how, when and even why to respond; certainly, if we respond. Now, did you specifically say anything to upset me? My concern should be whether or not I've upset you -- and, due to inherent ignorances, that's not always so easy. Rather, you gave me another opportunity to vent my thoughts. It's up to you to accept, reject or ignore them.

*often, the stater never even meant it as an attack and is caught totally off-guard.

[H]

I suppose it could come to the point that we each suggest the other ingest poison but, if it should arise that one of us intentionally dies of poisoning by the other's hand, Hagar will most certainly outlive me.

I'll have to read this through several times before I fully understand the implications behind it. If it means what I think it does I think you're far better educated & knowledgeable than me & could make me eat dirt if you wished. As Ali G might say - Respeck!

Foregoing that you've had a slight headstart on me in the outliving aspect, you needn't overprove our mutual point by reading too much into the statement . Just to prove I don't know or remember everything, I can't give you her name at the moment: a certain Lady told Churchill that she'd poison him. I've found no evidence that he died by her doing so even though they were most often at odds -- or how gladly he would have taken it (well, had they been married ). Some people even get viscious over virtually nothing. If I kill off everyone else for their ignorance, all I'll have left is mine.

[Hagar]

I can't give you her name at the moment: a certain Lady told Churchill that she'd poison him. I've found no evidence that he died by her doing so even though they were most often at odds -- or how gladly he would have taken it (well, had they been married ). Some people even get viscious over virtually nothing.

Probably Lady Astor. They were old enemies but actually I expect they both enjoyed it. I like these famous quotes of their continual battles of words in the House of Commons. The first one is probably what you're referring to.

Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your drink. --Lady Astor to Winston Churchill

Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it. --His reply

Sir, you're drunk! --Lady Astor to Winston Churchill

Yes, Madam, and you are ugly. But in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly. --His reply

PS. I'll have to research this in more detail. Although she was one of the few female politicians of the the time I can't figure out what a member of the aristocracy was doing in the House of Commons.

[H]

Probably Lady Astor.

That was the one.

[Hagar]

That was the one.

Completely off-topic but as this is my thread I gave myself permission.
Short biog of Lady Nancy Astor, nee Mitford.

Glamorous, fashionable, generous, witty, clever, and hugely wealthy...Nancy Astor had it all.

She was born in Virginia, USA, but to all intents and purposes she became an honorary Plymothian.

Her's is a fantastic story. Born into a rich family in 1879, she moved to England in 1904 after a failed first marriage.

In 1906, she met and married someone else blessed with wealth - politician Waldorf Astor.

In a strange coincidence, he was also born in USA in 1879 and had moved to England, where his father was the owner of the Observer newspaper.

Waldorf became the Conservative MP for Plymouth Sutton in 1910, but he had to relinquish his seat when his father died, because he inherited his title of Viscount Astor.

Waldorf having moved "upstairs" to the House of Lords, his wife decided to stand in Plymouth Sutton in his place.

She won the election in November 1919, beating her main rival, Liberal Isaac Foot - the father of Michael Foot who of course went on to lead the Labour Party.

The first woman to be elected was Constance Markievicz in 1918, but as a member of Sinn Fein she had disqualified herself by refusing to take the oath.

Nancy Astor was a master of repartee, and she needed to have all her wits about her to survive in the male dominated world of politics.

Her maiden speech was about the perils of drinking, and in 1923 she introduced a Private Member's Bill that raised to 18 the age qualification for buying booze.

She was also a fervent fighter for women's causes and equal rights. In an interview given in 1956, she said: "I knew what kept me going - I was an ardent feminist.

"I always knew we had more moral strength. I once said in the House: We've got moral strength and you've got immoral strength."

In fact, she kept going - to use her term - until the 1945 election, when she decided not to stand. By then she'd been MP for Plymouth Sutton for 26 years.

In the run-up to the second world war, she backed Neville Chamberlain's appeasement policy.

But she became critical of his leadership in the early stages of the war and voted against the Government in May 1940 - helping Winston Churchill to become Prime Minister.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/discovering/famous/astors.shtml

From the photo on that page she wasn't nearly as ugly as Churchill suggested. Interestingly, Sir Oswald Mosley who was to become leader of the British Union of Fascists, helped get her elected. Her sister Diana was a personal friend of Winston Churchill but would become Lady Mosley. They were married in Joseph Goebbels's drawing room in 1936. Adolf Hitler was a guest. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3146225.stm

Isn't History fascinating?

[Flt.Lt.Andrew]

Etch!
What became of the British facists?


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