New Orleans - Before and After...

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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Fozzer » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:52 am

Why do you think I want to have a house on the side of the hill overlooking the wet ones Paul? ;D


...the old saying...

"Home and dry..."... ;D...!
LOL...!

Fascinated as I am with San Francisco, I have often wondered why anyone would want to build a big city on top of a "mountain"....(Steve McQueen..."Bullitt"... ;)...)...!

Maybe the architect of 'Frisco knew something that the architect of New Orleans didn't.... ;)... ;D...!

LOL...!

Paul... ;D...!
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby ozzy72 » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:37 am

That and it made for one of the great car driving scenes of all time ;) ;D
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Craig. » Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:21 pm

Why do you think I want to have a house on the side of the hill overlooking the wet ones Paul? ;D

Because although rather large and bouyant you cant swim? ;D
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby beaky » Fri Sep 02, 2005 7:55 pm

Good news: Fats has turned up, in good condition. What's odd about this is that I had no idea the old dog was still among the living... must be some secret health benefit to playing honky-tonk piano and living NewOrleans -style; he's been around forever!
Bad news: the rotten apples have really come into their own during this crisis; I've heard numerous reports of everything from looting  to, yes, shooting at rescuers. Now people are starting fires. It's appalling.
IMHO the government response has been disgracefully slow and inefficient, especially in New Orleans- which, BTW, only has a population of 1/2 million.  Bush has made on-the-ground visits to other hard-hit areas, making sure to be photographed comforting victims, but has no plans I know of to set foot in New Orleans. If I were president, I'd be leading a platoon into the city personally, with weapons in one hand and supplies in the other. There's a time to be a cautious official, then there's a time to lead the people, to inspire them to action by your example. These looters and thugs need to be dealt with, then the aid process can begin. The Republicans did pretty well in the traditionally Democratic South last election; I think it might be different next time, thanks to this apparent near-indifference.
Sorry to get on the soapbox, but I love that city and am horrified by the suffering of what is, for the most part, a very proud, caring community of mostly poor working folk. Good luck to them... :-/
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Clownloachlover » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:06 pm

 It's amazing to see everyone is getting on the "Bush is not doing enough bandwagon" Truth is states are in charge of their own welfare. The elected officials of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana had 3 days to prepare for this. They had all the information concerning that the Levees wouldn't hold up to a C5 hurricane and the city would be underwater, but still all they did was get the rich and middle class out and basically left the poor to make the best of it if they live past a few days.

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Postby Scorpiоn » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:24 pm

How many times does this need to be said!?

NO POLITICS ON SIMVIATION.

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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Wing Nut » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:31 pm

NO POLITICS!!!  I would hate to have to lock my own thread...  ::)
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Clownloachlover » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:21 pm

I busted out laughing at the guy who went off on camera tonight on NBC concert aid brodcast and Mike Meyers standing there looking at him and the look on Meyers face was unforgettable.

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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Paz » Sat Sep 03, 2005 4:40 am

After listening to NPR all day yesterday, then coming home and watching various TV news coverage, it seems like the media is set on making this a political and racial issue, I have been watching this thing since the beginning and it seems like they have been doing as much as possible every day to help people, and everyday more is being done, but when many of the streets are under several feet of water, 90,000 square miles are destroyed, 10's of thousands of people are affected, and to top it off, rescuers are being shot at, what do they expect, this is much larger than anything we have ever had to deal with before, how do you prepare for something of this proportion?

 A lot of times the "No Politics" rule here is hard to work around considering how almost everything that happens in the news gets made into a political fiasco, it seems like more and more often people want to place the blame and responsibility for everything on the government, but I also understand how many people are unable to rationally discuss such issues without becoming morons about it.
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby yancovitch » Sat Sep 03, 2005 11:35 am

hey, on the lighter side  :( all those houses under water...can they be ressurected? or will mold etc. result in their distruction.
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Clownloachlover » Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:11 pm

[quote]hey, on the lighter side
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Politically Incorrect » Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:46 am

Much like Paz says the meda turns anything newsworthy into a political/race issue.

You must remember as with all major cities you have your well to do group of people and your poor, color makes no differenace.
These rescue efforts have been halted due to violence, the very people that need help are shooting at those that are trying to provide it!
Why would they do this ? Well considering we all know that a drug problem exsits in our poor population is no surprise, again color has nothing to do with this, you take a few thousand drug addicts and wipe out thier means to get a fix and hell is going to break loose, and that is what happened.
Now Im not saying all the stranded survivors are drug addicts but this is still a issues as to the looting and attacks on the rescue efforts, you haven't seen that on the news yet becasue the media is to stupid to see what is common sense.

As for the President he is making a visit on Monday, I thought it was a good move not to take him into a area where people were shooting and killing others ;)

Fact is this is a tragedy of mass proportions one that no one expected to ever happen, this is one that could have been prevented (death of people not the storm itself) had those who have tried since the 80s to warn people what would happen if a Cat 5 made a direct hit on the coast.
It is amazing watching a PBS special done in 1996 where a scentiest had actually estimate damage and death like a proffit, everything he predicted down to the levies breaking where they did came true last week, but no one would listen.

I have heard that rescue efforts have been slow getting the poor, elderly and young out in time, and that they couldn't afford to leave before the storm hit, well also as stated above this is the responsibility of the state and local authorities, a mandatory evacuation means just that you must go, the poor had no way out so the authorites should have made sure they got out!
They had the means to remove many of those that couldnt get out on thier own in the form of hundreds of school buses, why didn't the Mayor use them?????

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Fact is here in TN we started sending aid on Monday before the major damage started, as well as many other States, the Red Cross and Salvation Army. Problem is there was no way in except by boat and air, so what is one to do?

To many things happened and as always the easiest to blame is our President,  or make it a race issue this isnt a political or race issue this is the result of Mother Nature and the lack of people understanding her power, the lack of being prepared on the local level.

I hope people take notice so the next time something like this is about to happen people take the warning as serious as they should!

IMHO if they even think of rebuilding that city then all who decide to live there have what will inevitably come to them, it isn't worth my tax dollar to be wasted in a area that WILL be destroyed again, it is clear to all now that New Orleans was a disaster waiting to happen, and unfortantely it did, so why set up for another?
It isnt pride, courage and the strength of the American people to rebuild what was taken away, it is stupidity and lack of common sense.
But like we always do we will put billions of dollars of tax payer money into this cess pool and have Mardi Gras once again and all will be happy and proud of our strength until once again Mother Nature sets us straight as to who is stronger ;)

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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby cspyro21 » Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:48 pm

It's real sad about the disaster in New Orleans.....As many of you have said I wish luck to the families of people who lived there.....  :'(
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby beaky » Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:18 pm

 It's amazing to see everyone is getting on the "Bush is not doing enough bandwagon" Truth is states are in charge of their own welfare. The elected officials of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana had 3 days to prepare for this. They had all the information concerning that the Levees wouldn't hold up to a C5 hurricane and the city would be underwater, but still all they did was get the rich and middle class out and basically left the poor to make the best of it if they live past a few days.

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By "government" I didn't mean "federal", necessarily. And I apologize to all for stepping into the "p-word" zone; it was not meant to be a partisan comment.
But it is amazing that there seems to be no mass-evacuation plan for the poor in a place like New Orleans other than "every man for himself" (I hope I'm wrong, but that's how it seems)... y'know, some buses, maybe a one-day free rail pass- something!!
Sure, many of them were "die hards" who "died hard", but many simply did not have a vehicle or money to get out of town (and not just outside the city limits; Slidell and points north got flooded as well), and trying to walk out wouldn't work either- no doubt many were caught in the open when things got really ugly, trying to flee on foot.
It's just horrible...
 
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Re: New Orleans - Before and After...

Postby Paz » Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:49 pm

 The most amazing part to me is exactly how many people actually stayed behind, I suspect that not all of them were unable to leave but many of them just thought they could ride out the storm, and probably would have been fine if it weren't for the levee break.
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